1 00:01:00,261 --> 00:01:01,829 [ Conversations in native language ] 2 00:01:33,627 --> 00:01:35,496 [ Vehicles approaching ] 3 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:41,169 [ Man shouting in German ] 4 00:02:11,865 --> 00:02:14,768 [ Man whispering ] 5 00:02:23,344 --> 00:02:25,179 [ Shouting continues ] 6 00:02:43,964 --> 00:02:46,667 [ Shouting continues ] 7 00:02:56,677 --> 00:02:58,111 Mel: My immediate family and myself 8 00:02:58,178 --> 00:03:01,415 inside a boxcar like this one here. 9 00:03:01,482 --> 00:03:03,417 This was the kind they had. 10 00:03:03,484 --> 00:03:05,886 And there were hundreds of people -- 11 00:03:05,953 --> 00:03:09,290 men, women, children -- all gathered together, 12 00:03:09,357 --> 00:03:12,326 crammed inside with whatever food 13 00:03:12,393 --> 00:03:14,495 we happened to have in our pockets. 14 00:03:14,562 --> 00:03:16,630 When we left, a little water 15 00:03:16,697 --> 00:03:21,201 and...not enough room for people to lie down. 16 00:03:21,269 --> 00:03:24,204 Mostly, we had to stand, crammed in there. 17 00:03:24,272 --> 00:03:27,675 When we arrived at Auschwitz after three days, 18 00:03:27,741 --> 00:03:30,378 this was the front of the camp, 19 00:03:30,444 --> 00:03:32,546 and the train pulled up on the track to the side in here. 20 00:03:32,613 --> 00:03:34,615 The doors slid open, 21 00:03:34,682 --> 00:03:37,217 and it was a scene of madness, like a nightmare. 22 00:03:37,285 --> 00:03:38,886 People rushing, shouting, screaming, 23 00:03:38,952 --> 00:03:41,622 and the guards yelling, "hurry, hurry, hurry!" 24 00:03:41,689 --> 00:03:43,090 And families screaming 25 00:03:43,156 --> 00:03:46,226 for loved ones to stay together with each other, 26 00:03:46,294 --> 00:03:50,364 and mothers trying to help their children, 27 00:03:50,431 --> 00:03:53,567 the soldiers with their rifles and sticks 28 00:03:53,634 --> 00:03:57,004 that they used to beat people. 29 00:03:57,070 --> 00:04:01,809 And in the middle of this scene, my mother gave me a pillow. 30 00:04:01,875 --> 00:04:03,444 She said to me, "here, my son. 31 00:04:03,511 --> 00:04:07,448 Be sure not to sit on the cold, bare ground." 32 00:04:07,515 --> 00:04:10,351 We were in Auschwitz, 33 00:04:10,418 --> 00:04:13,521 and she was worried I might get a chill. 34 00:04:13,587 --> 00:04:17,090 But we all know how mothers are, don't we? 35 00:04:17,157 --> 00:04:19,560 [ Laughter ] 36 00:04:19,627 --> 00:04:21,128 Mr. Mermelstein has a few more minutes. 37 00:04:21,194 --> 00:04:22,363 Are there any more questions? 38 00:04:22,430 --> 00:04:23,897 Mr. Mermelstein. 39 00:04:23,964 --> 00:04:25,366 Yes, young man. 40 00:04:25,433 --> 00:04:27,134 How old were you when this happened? 41 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,471 I was not much older than you. I was 17. 42 00:04:30,538 --> 00:04:32,606 Mr. Mermelstein, can you please tell the children 43 00:04:32,673 --> 00:04:34,475 about the two pieces of holocaust artwork. 44 00:04:34,542 --> 00:04:35,976 Are they yours? 45 00:04:36,043 --> 00:04:39,179 Yes. These are pieces that I put together in my shop -- 46 00:04:39,246 --> 00:04:42,483 some items that I've collected at the camps. 47 00:04:42,550 --> 00:04:44,585 Auschwitz, buchenwald, as you see here. 48 00:04:44,652 --> 00:04:49,222 These are pieces of electrical insulation, electric box, 49 00:04:49,289 --> 00:04:51,725 and pieces of barbed wire. 50 00:04:51,792 --> 00:04:57,431 And over here, you see a piece of the actual concrete post 51 00:04:57,498 --> 00:05:00,267 that held up the electrified barbed-wire fence, 52 00:05:00,334 --> 00:05:05,773 and the words, "arbeit macht frei," which is a sign 53 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,141 that the Germans had over the gate posts 54 00:05:08,208 --> 00:05:09,810 over the entrance of the camp. 55 00:05:09,877 --> 00:05:13,647 In English, it means, "work will make you free." 56 00:05:13,714 --> 00:05:15,683 It was a cynical Nazi joke 57 00:05:15,749 --> 00:05:18,919 suggesting that if the prisoners worked, 58 00:05:18,986 --> 00:05:20,220 everything would be all right. 59 00:05:20,287 --> 00:05:23,424 Were there any other people at the concentration camp, 60 00:05:23,491 --> 00:05:24,792 or were they all Jews? 61 00:05:24,858 --> 00:05:28,195 There were other people, yes. 62 00:05:28,261 --> 00:05:32,500 Some political prisoners, some homosexuals, some gypsies, 63 00:05:32,566 --> 00:05:34,935 some catholics, but mostly Jews. 64 00:05:35,002 --> 00:05:36,670 Yes, mostly Jews. 65 00:05:36,737 --> 00:05:39,172 My father says there never was a holocaust, 66 00:05:39,239 --> 00:05:42,109 that it was all a bunch of lies, 67 00:05:42,175 --> 00:05:44,645 that there were never any Jews gassed at Auschwitz. 68 00:05:44,712 --> 00:05:47,180 [ Crowd murmuring ] 69 00:05:54,488 --> 00:05:59,793 Yes. I've, uh, heard this -- 70 00:05:59,860 --> 00:06:03,196 this idea before. 71 00:06:03,263 --> 00:06:07,401 I suppose it's the kind of thing that Hitler would say 72 00:06:07,468 --> 00:06:10,003 if he was back on earth. 73 00:06:10,070 --> 00:06:14,374 I think the question is will you believe him? 74 00:06:28,321 --> 00:06:30,824 [ Speaking Spanish ] 75 00:06:36,196 --> 00:06:37,130 Listen, about the small pieces. 76 00:06:37,197 --> 00:06:38,198 Very nice of you. 77 00:06:38,265 --> 00:06:39,399 You don't have to take them. 78 00:06:39,467 --> 00:06:40,934 I've got better pieces in the yard, 79 00:06:41,001 --> 00:06:43,203 and the bigger ones will be in tomorrow. 80 00:06:43,270 --> 00:06:44,838 That's great. You really meant tomorrow? 81 00:06:44,905 --> 00:06:45,939 Tomorrow. You can count on it. 82 00:06:46,006 --> 00:06:47,307 I'm counting. I'm counting. 83 00:06:47,374 --> 00:06:50,878 This came for you. 84 00:06:50,944 --> 00:06:53,614 Oh. Oh, good, good, good. Yeah. 85 00:06:53,681 --> 00:06:55,783 Buzz me if you get the parcelo company on the phone. 86 00:06:55,849 --> 00:06:57,685 Those guys are a week late with their shipment. 87 00:06:57,751 --> 00:06:58,686 You're too easy on them. 88 00:06:58,752 --> 00:07:00,087 Look who's talking. 89 00:07:00,153 --> 00:07:02,322 Oh, Mel, you're such a hard guy. 90 00:07:02,389 --> 00:07:05,125 I'm tough. I'm tough. 91 00:07:05,192 --> 00:07:07,127 Humberto! Humberto: Sí! 92 00:07:07,194 --> 00:07:08,929 What happened to your Dodgers last night? 93 00:07:08,996 --> 00:07:11,331 Bad luck. Oh, bad luck. Yeah. 94 00:07:11,398 --> 00:07:12,966 And four errors. 95 00:07:13,033 --> 00:07:15,903 The little kids could play infield better than those guys. 96 00:08:47,628 --> 00:08:48,662 This is wonderful. 97 00:08:48,729 --> 00:08:50,397 Who gets the credit for this? 98 00:08:50,463 --> 00:08:53,567 Well, I made the chicken, and Kenny made the vegetables. 99 00:08:53,634 --> 00:08:55,869 [ Southern accent ] You did everything. 100 00:08:55,936 --> 00:08:57,470 Bernie, it's gonna get cold! 101 00:08:57,537 --> 00:09:00,040 Oh, he's probably looking in the mirror. 102 00:09:00,107 --> 00:09:02,375 [ Laughs ] He's been on the phone, as usual. 103 00:09:02,442 --> 00:09:03,844 If the carrots are overdone, don't blame me. 104 00:09:03,911 --> 00:09:06,647 The chicken didn't time out right. 105 00:09:06,714 --> 00:09:07,881 It's that dumb oven! 106 00:09:07,948 --> 00:09:09,082 It never works the same way twice. 107 00:09:09,149 --> 00:09:10,283 It's absolutely delicious. 108 00:09:10,350 --> 00:09:11,418 Don't you think so, Jane? 109 00:09:11,484 --> 00:09:12,552 I don't know why, 110 00:09:12,620 --> 00:09:13,987 but everything just tastes better 111 00:09:14,054 --> 00:09:15,488 when you kids do the cooking. 112 00:09:15,555 --> 00:09:17,257 Maybe you should do it more often. 113 00:09:17,324 --> 00:09:18,659 It's true. Oh, please. 114 00:09:18,726 --> 00:09:20,060 Flattery will get you nowhere, mom. 115 00:09:20,127 --> 00:09:21,929 Once a week is plenty for me. 116 00:09:21,995 --> 00:09:23,764 Well, it's really a big help, though, 117 00:09:23,831 --> 00:09:25,398 especially at the end of the term 118 00:09:25,465 --> 00:09:27,134 when I have all these papers to grade. 119 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,203 Dad, mom's been teaching me a southern accent for the play. 120 00:09:30,270 --> 00:09:31,504 Can I try it out on you? 121 00:09:31,571 --> 00:09:32,973 Come on. Let me hear it. 122 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,642 There goes my appetite. Oh, hush up. 123 00:09:34,708 --> 00:09:36,810 Shut up. 124 00:09:36,877 --> 00:09:40,313 [ Exaggerated southern accent ] That summer was a burden for me 125 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:41,314 and my condition. 126 00:09:41,381 --> 00:09:44,384 I had been feelin' poorly 127 00:09:44,451 --> 00:09:46,687 since the first fog in the Tennessee mountains. 128 00:09:46,754 --> 00:09:47,921 Come on. Come on! 129 00:09:47,988 --> 00:09:50,157 Critics, she doesn't need. Come on. 130 00:09:50,223 --> 00:09:51,224 Hey, guys, guess what? 131 00:09:51,291 --> 00:09:52,559 Miss radford, my counselor, 132 00:09:52,626 --> 00:09:54,995 she says I got a good shot of getting into Stanford 133 00:09:55,062 --> 00:09:56,096 if I do well on my s.A.T. 134 00:09:56,163 --> 00:09:57,130 Oh, great. 135 00:09:57,197 --> 00:09:58,632 The chicken is cold. 136 00:09:58,699 --> 00:09:59,967 What's the "if"? 137 00:10:00,033 --> 00:10:02,102 All you have to do is apply yourself. 138 00:10:02,169 --> 00:10:03,336 I do apply myself. 139 00:10:03,403 --> 00:10:05,939 That's why I stand a good chance of getting in. 140 00:10:06,006 --> 00:10:07,240 You made "the herald." 141 00:10:07,307 --> 00:10:09,309 Oh. 142 00:10:09,376 --> 00:10:10,944 Aha. What -- what is that? 143 00:10:11,011 --> 00:10:14,147 They printed my letter. Look at this. 144 00:10:14,214 --> 00:10:18,118 Both: "What can one say when once again, we sit idly by... 145 00:10:18,185 --> 00:10:20,453 "...as these highly acclaimed professors 146 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,455 "in highly accredited universities 147 00:10:22,522 --> 00:10:23,657 "are at it again. 148 00:10:23,724 --> 00:10:25,726 "They're teaching our new generations 149 00:10:25,793 --> 00:10:27,961 "that the chimneys of Auschwitz 150 00:10:28,028 --> 00:10:30,330 were only those of the bakeries." 151 00:10:30,397 --> 00:10:31,932 Good work, dad! Thank you. 152 00:10:31,999 --> 00:10:33,100 You're an author. All right. 153 00:10:33,166 --> 00:10:34,101 Jane: Can I see that? 154 00:10:34,167 --> 00:10:35,402 Congratulations, dad. 155 00:10:35,468 --> 00:10:37,270 Something I've wanted to get off my chest, 156 00:10:37,337 --> 00:10:38,972 about these animals trying to make people believe 157 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:40,674 there was no such thing as a holocaust. 158 00:10:40,741 --> 00:10:43,010 Sprouting up everyplace -- even the school, I suppose. 159 00:10:43,076 --> 00:10:44,011 You remember, Edie? 160 00:10:44,077 --> 00:10:47,047 Dad, that's a cholesterol injection. 161 00:10:47,114 --> 00:10:48,448 I'm caught in the act. I'm sorry. 162 00:10:48,515 --> 00:10:49,616 Excuse me. Please forgive me. 163 00:10:49,683 --> 00:10:50,650 And you finish your supper. 164 00:10:50,718 --> 00:10:52,285 You don't know how lucky you are... 165 00:10:52,352 --> 00:10:54,321 All: ...Lucky you are to have food on your plate. 166 00:10:54,387 --> 00:10:56,023 That's right. Yeah, dad, we know. 167 00:10:56,089 --> 00:10:57,624 Mel, this is pretty strong, 168 00:10:57,691 --> 00:11:01,494 calling them, "former Nazis of the old Hitler reich regime"? 169 00:11:01,561 --> 00:11:02,730 I said some of them. 170 00:11:02,796 --> 00:11:05,432 The others aren't, but they're not any better. 171 00:11:05,498 --> 00:11:06,566 Believe me. 172 00:11:06,633 --> 00:11:07,901 "...spreading lies, hatred, 173 00:11:07,968 --> 00:11:11,371 bigotry vis-à-vis the subject known as the holocaust." 174 00:11:11,438 --> 00:11:13,506 Yeah. I sent it to "the Jerusalem post" 175 00:11:13,573 --> 00:11:15,508 and a couple of other local papers. 176 00:11:15,575 --> 00:11:17,644 What do you think? Is it a good letter? 177 00:11:17,711 --> 00:11:19,713 Do I get an "a"? 178 00:11:19,780 --> 00:11:23,316 Yeah, that's fine. I think this is fine. 179 00:11:34,161 --> 00:11:35,195 Oh, my god. 180 00:11:35,262 --> 00:11:37,330 Mel? 181 00:11:37,397 --> 00:11:39,566 What is it? 182 00:11:41,802 --> 00:11:44,337 "Dear Mr. Mermelstein, 183 00:11:44,404 --> 00:11:47,975 "your recent letter in 'the Jerusalem post' 184 00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:52,880 "indicates that you can prove that Jews were gassed 185 00:11:52,946 --> 00:11:56,483 in gas chambers in Auschwitz." 186 00:11:56,549 --> 00:11:58,085 "In 1979, revisionists 187 00:11:58,151 --> 00:12:01,054 "conventionally announced a $50,000 reward 188 00:12:01,121 --> 00:12:03,156 "for proof of this allegation. 189 00:12:03,223 --> 00:12:05,692 "To date, no one has stepped forward, 190 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:08,628 "and at the 1980 revisionist convention, 191 00:12:08,695 --> 00:12:10,630 "we suspended the reward. 192 00:12:10,697 --> 00:12:12,465 In the circumstances, we will..." 193 00:12:12,532 --> 00:12:18,338 "...reopen the $50,000 reward so that you can apply." 194 00:12:20,173 --> 00:12:24,044 I enclose all the necessary application forms. 195 00:12:25,578 --> 00:12:29,016 Please note the evidence will be judged 196 00:12:29,082 --> 00:12:30,450 along the same standards 197 00:12:30,517 --> 00:12:34,354 as evidence in a u.S. Criminal court 198 00:12:34,421 --> 00:12:37,925 and not the standards of the nuremberg trials. 199 00:12:37,991 --> 00:12:39,592 "If we do not hear from you, 200 00:12:39,659 --> 00:12:42,462 "we will be obliged to draw our own conclusions 201 00:12:42,529 --> 00:12:45,765 "and publicize this back to the mass media, 202 00:12:45,833 --> 00:12:49,769 "including 'the Jerusalem post.' 203 00:12:49,837 --> 00:12:52,405 "I look forward to hearing from you very soon. 204 00:12:52,472 --> 00:12:53,874 "Sincerely, Lewis Brandon, 205 00:12:53,941 --> 00:12:56,443 institute for historical review." 206 00:13:05,352 --> 00:13:07,254 [ Cheers and applause ] 207 00:13:09,422 --> 00:13:10,490 Some letter, huh? 208 00:13:10,557 --> 00:13:12,025 [ Scoffs ] Forget it! 209 00:13:12,092 --> 00:13:13,493 It got lost in the mail. 210 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:15,595 You have a shredder in the office? 211 00:13:15,662 --> 00:13:17,764 Mel feels they're attacking him personally, 212 00:13:17,831 --> 00:13:19,599 so he can't back down. Am I right? 213 00:13:19,666 --> 00:13:21,168 I have to take it personally. 214 00:13:21,234 --> 00:13:23,503 This letter's addressed to Mel mermelstein. 215 00:13:23,570 --> 00:13:25,338 The last time I heard, that was me. 216 00:13:25,405 --> 00:13:27,207 I can't let them walk all over me. 217 00:13:27,274 --> 00:13:28,675 You're absolutely right. 218 00:13:28,741 --> 00:13:31,511 Dan, maybe you'd stick your head under the covers, 219 00:13:31,578 --> 00:13:34,281 but everybody's not like that. 220 00:13:34,347 --> 00:13:35,682 So, what are you gonna do? 221 00:13:35,748 --> 00:13:37,450 Go into their hall with their judge, 222 00:13:37,517 --> 00:13:40,053 their pals sitting on the jury, some kind of star chamber, 223 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,554 and expect to get a fair trial? 224 00:13:41,621 --> 00:13:42,990 I can't believe this. 225 00:13:43,056 --> 00:13:45,425 Mel, these people are -- are -- are Neo-Nazis. 226 00:13:45,492 --> 00:13:46,726 Yes, that's exactly right, 227 00:13:46,793 --> 00:13:49,329 and that's why I cannot let them get away with this. 228 00:13:49,396 --> 00:13:51,831 Well, good for you, Mel. 229 00:13:51,899 --> 00:13:53,466 Okay. Can I make one suggestion? 230 00:13:53,533 --> 00:13:55,235 Just one suggestion? 231 00:13:55,302 --> 00:13:57,938 Mr. Greenspan, do you think I showed you this 232 00:13:58,005 --> 00:13:59,739 because of your good looks? 233 00:13:59,806 --> 00:14:01,174 Give me some advice. 234 00:14:01,241 --> 00:14:03,843 Oh, yeah, he'll take some advice 235 00:14:03,911 --> 00:14:06,079 and then do just what he wants to. 236 00:14:06,146 --> 00:14:09,616 Please, if you're absolutely set on fighting these people, 237 00:14:09,682 --> 00:14:11,885 at least don't do it on your own. 238 00:14:11,952 --> 00:14:13,887 There are Jewish organizations who deal with these matters 239 00:14:13,954 --> 00:14:14,955 on a daily basis. 240 00:14:15,022 --> 00:14:16,689 Go to them. 241 00:14:16,756 --> 00:14:19,960 Get some help. Don't be such a hero. 242 00:14:22,229 --> 00:14:24,797 Jane: It's missing again, Mrs. Anderson? 243 00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:27,935 No. I'll tell Kenny as soon as he comes back. 244 00:14:28,001 --> 00:14:31,204 Yeah, I'm sure that it was just an oversight. 245 00:14:31,271 --> 00:14:32,372 Yeah. Well, no, no. 246 00:14:32,439 --> 00:14:35,208 It's no trouble at all. I'll -- I'll, uh... 247 00:14:35,275 --> 00:14:39,146 I beat my world paper-route record by 96 whole seconds. 248 00:14:39,212 --> 00:14:41,248 Shh. Oh, all right. 249 00:14:41,314 --> 00:14:43,450 Cool! Bravo! 250 00:14:43,516 --> 00:14:44,717 Paper, dad. 251 00:14:44,784 --> 00:14:45,986 That was Mrs. Anderson. 252 00:14:46,053 --> 00:14:49,122 She said you forgot to deliver her paper again. 253 00:14:49,189 --> 00:14:51,424 Somebody keeps stealing it. 254 00:14:51,491 --> 00:14:53,460 All right. Sure they do, Kenny. 255 00:14:53,526 --> 00:14:54,962 Sorry, dad. We know the truth. 256 00:14:55,028 --> 00:14:57,764 Mrs. Anderson will report me if I don't get her a paper. 257 00:14:57,830 --> 00:14:59,332 I read the newspaper every morning 258 00:14:59,399 --> 00:15:00,867 until my son got a paper route. 259 00:15:00,934 --> 00:15:02,469 Now, how am I supposed to keep up 260 00:15:02,535 --> 00:15:04,137 with what's going on in the world? 261 00:15:04,204 --> 00:15:06,173 You want to know what's going on in the world, 262 00:15:06,239 --> 00:15:07,440 give Mrs. Anderson a call. 263 00:15:07,507 --> 00:15:09,176 Oh, we got a wise guy. 264 00:15:09,242 --> 00:15:11,511 Bye. Oh, god, I've got to get a move on it. 265 00:15:11,578 --> 00:15:13,780 I have a teacher's meeting this morning. 266 00:15:13,846 --> 00:15:15,015 Hey, is today your meeting 267 00:15:15,082 --> 00:15:16,616 with the anti-defamation league? 268 00:15:16,683 --> 00:15:18,751 Yes. Today, 10:30. 269 00:15:18,818 --> 00:15:19,786 About that letter? 270 00:15:19,852 --> 00:15:20,954 Yes, about the letter. 271 00:15:21,021 --> 00:15:23,090 Well, it'll be good to hear 272 00:15:23,156 --> 00:15:25,558 what the experts have to say, huh? 273 00:15:25,625 --> 00:15:26,793 Good luck. Thank you. 274 00:15:26,859 --> 00:15:28,061 Bye, everybody. Bye, mom. 275 00:15:28,128 --> 00:15:30,863 Edie, if you're ready, I'll drop you. 276 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:32,365 Okay. I'll get my books. 277 00:15:34,501 --> 00:15:38,005 Going into the Nazi-hunting business, huh, dad? 278 00:15:38,071 --> 00:15:39,639 What's that supposed to mean? 279 00:15:39,706 --> 00:15:42,842 Isn't that what they do at the anti-defamation league? 280 00:15:42,909 --> 00:15:45,212 They're involved in a lot of other things over there, 281 00:15:45,278 --> 00:15:48,648 as well, like keeping track of groups like this. 282 00:15:48,715 --> 00:15:51,484 Don't you think you're kind of overreacting 283 00:15:51,551 --> 00:15:52,852 about a dumb letter? 284 00:15:52,919 --> 00:15:55,122 I mean, there's a lot of nutcases running around, 285 00:15:55,188 --> 00:15:56,356 shooting their mouths off. 286 00:15:56,423 --> 00:16:00,027 Yes, and sometimes, people listen to them. 287 00:16:00,093 --> 00:16:01,128 All set. 288 00:16:01,194 --> 00:16:03,463 I'll see you later, Bernie. 289 00:16:06,233 --> 00:16:07,900 So long. 290 00:16:09,969 --> 00:16:12,939 Edie: [ Exaggerated southern accent ] I prayed for the courage. 291 00:16:13,006 --> 00:16:14,674 [ Normal voice ] Oh, this is the pits. 292 00:16:14,741 --> 00:16:15,675 What's the matter? 293 00:16:15,742 --> 00:16:17,077 Well, it's my dumb accent. 294 00:16:17,144 --> 00:16:19,512 I wish I could get it as good as mom's. 295 00:16:19,579 --> 00:16:22,382 Well, you know, your mother was born in Tennessee. 296 00:16:22,449 --> 00:16:24,751 Anyhow, I think your accent is very good. 297 00:16:24,817 --> 00:16:26,786 I can practically smell magnolias. 298 00:16:26,853 --> 00:16:29,189 Well, you think everything I do is wonderful. 299 00:16:29,256 --> 00:16:32,359 I admit it. I think my daughter is perfect. 300 00:16:35,162 --> 00:16:36,163 What? 301 00:16:36,229 --> 00:16:37,664 Have I ever told you 302 00:16:37,730 --> 00:16:40,867 you remind me of my older sister? 303 00:16:40,933 --> 00:16:44,837 Yes, you have. A couple of hundred times. 304 00:16:44,904 --> 00:16:47,674 Well, the older you get, the more the resemblance, 305 00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:50,110 especially around here. 306 00:16:50,177 --> 00:16:51,878 She was very beautiful. 307 00:16:51,944 --> 00:16:56,116 How old was she when she... 308 00:16:56,183 --> 00:17:00,487 She was 20. 20 years old. 309 00:17:00,553 --> 00:17:02,755 I hate it when anybody hurts you. 310 00:17:02,822 --> 00:17:03,956 [ Bell rings ] 311 00:17:04,023 --> 00:17:05,024 Bye. 312 00:17:06,726 --> 00:17:07,660 Bye. 313 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:19,839 Anti-defamation league, 105. 314 00:17:19,906 --> 00:17:21,708 [ Telephone rings ] 315 00:17:21,774 --> 00:17:24,411 'Course you want to strike back at these people. 316 00:17:24,477 --> 00:17:26,479 What decent person wouldn't? 317 00:17:26,546 --> 00:17:27,880 Mel: So, you'll help? 318 00:17:27,947 --> 00:17:29,849 I'm afraid there's no help we can give you. 319 00:17:29,916 --> 00:17:31,618 There's no way for you to get satisfaction, 320 00:17:31,684 --> 00:17:32,652 Mr. Mermelstein. 321 00:17:32,719 --> 00:17:36,156 Satisfaction? What I want is justice. 322 00:17:36,223 --> 00:17:38,125 I mean legal satisfaction. 323 00:17:38,191 --> 00:17:40,293 This letter is not actionable, 324 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,295 which means there are no grounds to take them into court. 325 00:17:42,362 --> 00:17:44,864 Of course, I mean, a real court -- 326 00:17:44,931 --> 00:17:48,368 the United States court, not their kangaroo court. 327 00:17:48,435 --> 00:17:51,504 Let me tell you something you probably already know. 328 00:17:51,571 --> 00:17:53,806 Now, the institute for historical review 329 00:17:53,873 --> 00:17:55,308 is part of an ongoing germ. 330 00:17:55,375 --> 00:17:58,111 It's a network of professional liars and haters 331 00:17:58,178 --> 00:18:00,813 who get pleasure out of telling their horrible lie -- 332 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,849 mm-hmm. That there was no holocaust. 333 00:18:02,915 --> 00:18:05,518 Now, to some people, people who need to hear this kind of smut, 334 00:18:05,585 --> 00:18:07,620 unfortunately, it has some appeal. 335 00:18:07,687 --> 00:18:10,190 We know them. We know what they're doing. 336 00:18:10,257 --> 00:18:11,824 [ Sighs ] 337 00:18:11,891 --> 00:18:12,959 Now, let me tell you something 338 00:18:13,025 --> 00:18:14,294 you probably don't want to hear. 339 00:18:14,361 --> 00:18:15,995 You would be foolish to pay any attention 340 00:18:16,062 --> 00:18:17,330 to this letter, Mr. Mermelstein. 341 00:18:17,397 --> 00:18:19,065 You'd be playing right into their hands. 342 00:18:19,132 --> 00:18:20,333 How do you mean? 343 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:21,968 The whole challenge is phony. 344 00:18:22,034 --> 00:18:23,370 They don't want the truth. 345 00:18:23,436 --> 00:18:25,438 They'll stack the deck against you. 346 00:18:25,505 --> 00:18:29,509 But I could tell what I saw with my own eyes in the camps. 347 00:18:29,576 --> 00:18:30,910 I could bring witnesses. 348 00:18:30,977 --> 00:18:32,945 They'll ridicule you and your witnesses. 349 00:18:33,012 --> 00:18:34,814 All you would accomplish by responding 350 00:18:34,881 --> 00:18:36,716 is to give them exactly what they want. 351 00:18:36,783 --> 00:18:38,285 They want the publicity. Yeah. 352 00:18:38,351 --> 00:18:41,488 If you give them the recognition they're looking for, they win. 353 00:18:41,554 --> 00:18:43,055 Ignore them, you win. 354 00:18:43,122 --> 00:18:44,191 Just a minute. 355 00:18:44,257 --> 00:18:46,626 You can't see through my jacket, 356 00:18:46,693 --> 00:18:49,629 but when you say "ignore them," I get goose bumps. 357 00:18:49,696 --> 00:18:52,932 I get a shiver, 'cause that's exactly the same words 358 00:18:52,999 --> 00:18:56,803 that the wise men in my town in munkács in Hungary said 359 00:18:56,869 --> 00:18:58,738 when the Nazis started to spread their lies. 360 00:18:58,805 --> 00:18:59,772 Mr. Mermelstein. 361 00:18:59,839 --> 00:19:01,140 Please! Please! 362 00:19:01,208 --> 00:19:02,942 Don't give me this "ignore them" business, 363 00:19:03,009 --> 00:19:04,344 because I know where that ends. 364 00:19:04,411 --> 00:19:05,978 Mr. Mermelstein, the a.D.L. 365 00:19:06,045 --> 00:19:08,080 Cannot become involved with this. 366 00:19:08,147 --> 00:19:09,582 It's counterproductive. 367 00:19:09,649 --> 00:19:11,017 Now, we strongly advise you 368 00:19:11,083 --> 00:19:13,386 to give this letter the contempt it deserves. 369 00:19:13,453 --> 00:19:17,023 Let me do it for you. 370 00:19:17,089 --> 00:19:20,293 Wait, no, no, no. No, Mrs. Teitler. 371 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:22,061 You can't do that. 372 00:19:22,128 --> 00:19:23,463 That's where it belongs. 373 00:19:23,530 --> 00:19:24,931 Well, you can't throw this letter away, 374 00:19:24,997 --> 00:19:26,566 because this letter wasn't sent to you. 375 00:19:26,633 --> 00:19:27,934 It was addressed to me. 376 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,403 This is not Nazi Germany. This is not munkács. 377 00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:31,871 This is the United States. 378 00:19:31,938 --> 00:19:34,106 Thank you very much. 379 00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:35,708 I'm sorry. 380 00:19:54,761 --> 00:19:57,764 Whoa! Whoa-ho-ho-ho! 381 00:19:57,830 --> 00:20:00,933 We need some pieces of extra board on the other side. 382 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,902 Cuatro, por favor. Cuatro. 383 00:20:02,969 --> 00:20:05,037 Phone for you, Mr. Mermelstein! 384 00:20:05,104 --> 00:20:06,273 Yeah. 385 00:20:06,339 --> 00:20:08,941 [ Nail guns shooting, saws whirring ] 386 00:20:09,008 --> 00:20:10,677 Hello?! 387 00:20:10,743 --> 00:20:13,313 Hello?! Yes, mermelstein, yes. 388 00:20:13,380 --> 00:20:15,882 Mr. Gross! Hello! 389 00:20:15,948 --> 00:20:18,050 Yes. Have you thought about it? 390 00:20:18,117 --> 00:20:19,986 Can you take my case? 391 00:20:25,625 --> 00:20:27,394 I understand. 392 00:20:27,460 --> 00:20:31,431 Thank you. Thanks for your time. 393 00:20:31,498 --> 00:20:34,401 Yeah. All right. Bye. 394 00:20:46,879 --> 00:20:48,481 [ Horn honks ] 395 00:20:50,116 --> 00:20:52,352 Woman: Mr. Mermelstein. 396 00:20:52,419 --> 00:20:54,387 Rabbi heir will see you now. 397 00:20:59,959 --> 00:21:02,695 Mr. Mermelstein, this is my associate, rabbi Cooper. 398 00:21:02,762 --> 00:21:04,163 Oh, hello. Pleased to meet you, Mr. Mermelstein. 399 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:05,665 Mel, Mel. Please, sit. 400 00:21:05,732 --> 00:21:08,335 We're happy to have the chance to get to know you. 401 00:21:08,401 --> 00:21:09,769 Thank you. 402 00:21:09,836 --> 00:21:11,404 I'm sorry that it's on the occasion of a problem. 403 00:21:11,471 --> 00:21:15,908 Yes. We're aware of the talks you give, Mel. 404 00:21:15,975 --> 00:21:17,777 And your impact on schoolchildren 405 00:21:17,844 --> 00:21:18,978 must be very rewarding. 406 00:21:19,045 --> 00:21:20,380 Mel: It is. It is. 407 00:21:20,447 --> 00:21:21,548 It must have been a shock for you, 408 00:21:21,614 --> 00:21:22,849 getting a letter like this. 409 00:21:22,915 --> 00:21:24,851 Is this the first time you've ever heard from them? 410 00:21:24,917 --> 00:21:26,953 Yes, the first. 411 00:21:27,019 --> 00:21:30,089 Well, we see this kind of tactic all the time. 412 00:21:30,156 --> 00:21:32,825 Hmm. Baiting. 413 00:21:32,892 --> 00:21:34,394 Baiting. 414 00:21:34,461 --> 00:21:37,664 It must be very difficult for you personally. 415 00:21:37,730 --> 00:21:38,931 Yes. 416 00:21:38,998 --> 00:21:40,700 But why give them the attention? 417 00:21:40,767 --> 00:21:43,603 [ Chuckling ] 418 00:21:43,670 --> 00:21:45,672 You -- 419 00:21:45,738 --> 00:21:49,008 this is the Simon wiesenthal center. 420 00:21:49,075 --> 00:21:52,345 You're the people who hunt Nazis all over the world, 421 00:21:52,412 --> 00:21:54,146 so even you are gonna tell me 422 00:21:54,213 --> 00:21:55,782 I should turn my back on these guys? 423 00:21:55,848 --> 00:21:59,619 Mel, the wiesenthal center is currently involved 424 00:21:59,686 --> 00:22:03,089 in more than 400 cases of Nazi war criminals 425 00:22:03,155 --> 00:22:04,491 living in western countries. 426 00:22:04,557 --> 00:22:05,958 In each of those countries, 427 00:22:06,025 --> 00:22:08,895 we're working closely with government authorities 428 00:22:08,961 --> 00:22:11,030 to try to bring these people to justice. 429 00:22:11,097 --> 00:22:13,132 This -- this is not justice. 430 00:22:13,199 --> 00:22:16,636 This is what they want -- a show trial on their turf, 431 00:22:16,703 --> 00:22:18,037 another chance for them 432 00:22:18,104 --> 00:22:20,407 to attack the validity of the holocaust. 433 00:22:20,473 --> 00:22:24,477 This letter was sent to me personally, and it's disgusting. 434 00:22:24,544 --> 00:22:26,779 Now, I'm asking you for advice. What should I do? 435 00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:30,082 Mel, you're a survivor of Auschwitz. 436 00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:31,584 We're not. 437 00:22:31,651 --> 00:22:34,020 We don't have the moral right to tell you what to do. 438 00:22:34,086 --> 00:22:36,355 You have to follow the dictates of your conscience. 439 00:22:36,423 --> 00:22:39,659 But please remember, if you take this on, 440 00:22:39,726 --> 00:22:42,194 you get into a fight with these people and you lose, 441 00:22:42,261 --> 00:22:43,896 we all lose. 442 00:23:01,013 --> 00:23:03,382 It's a nice street, huh? 443 00:23:03,450 --> 00:23:06,519 Yes, it is. 444 00:23:06,586 --> 00:23:10,690 This is some country. 445 00:23:10,757 --> 00:23:13,292 I was a teenager when I got off the boat, 446 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,562 and I was shaking from typhus, 447 00:23:15,628 --> 00:23:17,363 and I was dressed in rags. 448 00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:19,065 Look at this. 449 00:23:19,131 --> 00:23:21,968 You worked hard. Yeah. 450 00:23:22,034 --> 00:23:24,671 I was also lucky. 451 00:23:24,737 --> 00:23:26,172 I found you. 452 00:23:26,238 --> 00:23:27,840 [ Chuckles ] 453 00:23:27,907 --> 00:23:31,778 Now, that cuts both ways, fella. 454 00:23:31,844 --> 00:23:34,413 You got turned down today, didn't you? 455 00:23:34,481 --> 00:23:37,917 Yeah, by every lawyer, 456 00:23:37,984 --> 00:23:39,385 every organization I contacted, 457 00:23:39,452 --> 00:23:41,020 and they all said the same thing -- 458 00:23:41,087 --> 00:23:43,923 "forget it. Ignore them." 459 00:23:46,893 --> 00:23:49,562 How can I let that scum laugh at me, 460 00:23:49,629 --> 00:23:53,600 advertise, "the Jew backed down"? 461 00:23:53,666 --> 00:23:55,401 They'd show up at my talks, you know. 462 00:23:55,468 --> 00:23:56,569 They'd wave their hands. 463 00:23:56,636 --> 00:23:58,037 "You're the Mel mermelstein 464 00:23:58,104 --> 00:24:00,006 who refused to accept our challenge." 465 00:24:00,072 --> 00:24:02,575 And what can I say to them, Jane? 466 00:24:04,711 --> 00:24:06,713 I can't let them shut me up, Jane. 467 00:24:06,779 --> 00:24:08,080 I have a responsibility. 468 00:24:08,147 --> 00:24:12,084 Mel, do you remember bill Cox? 469 00:24:12,151 --> 00:24:15,254 Yeah, when the two of you ran for the school board. 470 00:24:15,321 --> 00:24:16,188 Interesting man. 471 00:24:16,255 --> 00:24:18,024 Yeah. He's a lawyer, you know. 472 00:24:18,090 --> 00:24:19,391 You should give him a call. 473 00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:21,293 You're serious? 474 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:22,394 Why not? 475 00:24:22,461 --> 00:24:24,163 We're talking about the same bill Cox? 476 00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:26,933 He's a former cop, former assistant district attorney, 477 00:24:26,999 --> 00:24:28,234 night-school lawyer. 478 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:30,036 And you forgot Irish catholic. 479 00:24:30,102 --> 00:24:31,704 [ Laughs ] That's perfect. Perfect. 480 00:24:31,771 --> 00:24:33,405 This is exactly the guy for my case. 481 00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:34,874 Stranger things have happened. 482 00:24:34,941 --> 00:24:36,308 I mean, look, you married 483 00:24:36,375 --> 00:24:37,777 a southern baptist teacher from Tennessee. 484 00:24:37,844 --> 00:24:41,548 And...it's worked out all right, hasn't it? 485 00:24:41,614 --> 00:24:43,015 Eh... 486 00:24:43,082 --> 00:24:45,852 [ Laughter ] 487 00:24:47,053 --> 00:24:49,121 So, this was when you ran 488 00:24:49,188 --> 00:24:51,824 for the, uh, the school board? 489 00:24:51,891 --> 00:24:54,661 Bill: No. That's when I ran 490 00:24:54,727 --> 00:24:57,997 for president of the United States. 491 00:24:58,064 --> 00:25:01,333 Oh. Very ambitious. 492 00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:04,971 Oh, don't worry about that. 493 00:25:05,037 --> 00:25:07,306 I was trying to teach my son about the Democratic process. 494 00:25:07,373 --> 00:25:10,643 What better way than watching his father run for president? 495 00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:12,579 It's certainly original. 496 00:25:12,645 --> 00:25:13,780 Yeah. 497 00:25:13,846 --> 00:25:16,616 All I did was make sure my kids took civics. 498 00:25:16,683 --> 00:25:18,184 Oh, thank you. 499 00:25:18,250 --> 00:25:19,552 [ Clears throat ] 500 00:25:19,619 --> 00:25:23,723 So, tell me, what do you think about my case? 501 00:25:23,790 --> 00:25:25,958 Well, they sound like the kind of people 502 00:25:26,025 --> 00:25:28,094 I used to run into when I was a cop -- 503 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,529 people who knock on the doors of blacks 504 00:25:30,597 --> 00:25:33,600 in the middle of the night, order them to come out. 505 00:25:33,666 --> 00:25:36,936 Yes, but what can I do about it? 506 00:25:37,003 --> 00:25:39,606 Well, I'll tell you what you can't do about it. 507 00:25:39,672 --> 00:25:41,273 You can't let them trick you 508 00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:42,942 into going into their phony court. 509 00:25:43,009 --> 00:25:45,244 So I've been told. Mm-hmm. 510 00:25:45,311 --> 00:25:48,948 But I will not accept this insulting letter -- 511 00:25:49,015 --> 00:25:51,017 "exposure to the mass media 512 00:25:51,083 --> 00:25:53,385 if you don't respond very soon." 513 00:25:53,452 --> 00:25:55,855 They're insulting me. They're threatening me. 514 00:25:55,922 --> 00:25:58,524 Well, I know that, but -- but? 515 00:25:58,591 --> 00:26:01,761 Look, Mel, I agree with everything you're saying. 516 00:26:01,828 --> 00:26:03,730 It is insulting. It's threatening. 517 00:26:03,796 --> 00:26:06,398 It's disgusting, if you want to know what I think, 518 00:26:06,465 --> 00:26:08,601 but I'm afraid it's non-actionable. 519 00:26:08,668 --> 00:26:09,869 Non-actionable? 520 00:26:09,936 --> 00:26:12,404 By non-actionable, I mean it's -- 521 00:26:12,471 --> 00:26:14,240 excuse me. You don't have to tell me what it means. 522 00:26:14,306 --> 00:26:15,307 I heard it from everybody else. 523 00:26:15,374 --> 00:26:16,542 I don't have to hear it from you. 524 00:26:16,609 --> 00:26:18,611 It means I'm supposed to forget 525 00:26:18,678 --> 00:26:19,912 we're living in a democracy. 526 00:26:19,979 --> 00:26:21,914 I'm supposed to act like it's normal 527 00:26:21,981 --> 00:26:23,883 to get something like this in the mail. 528 00:26:23,950 --> 00:26:26,518 Hmm. This is the Democratic process you taught your son? 529 00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:28,821 No. Pardon me, Mr. Cox, I don't think so. 530 00:26:28,888 --> 00:26:31,057 This can't happen here, not in america. 531 00:26:31,123 --> 00:26:33,225 Now, wait a minute. Hold it, Mel. 532 00:26:33,292 --> 00:26:34,426 Non-actionable? 533 00:26:34,493 --> 00:26:37,396 No, my friend. You're non-actionable. 534 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,869 [ Sighs ] 535 00:26:45,638 --> 00:26:49,375 Jane: I was wrong. I'm sorry. 536 00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:50,810 Mel: Don't be sorry, Jane. I am. 537 00:26:50,877 --> 00:26:53,245 You don't have to apologize. 538 00:26:53,312 --> 00:26:57,717 I just have to find a lawyer with a different opinion. 539 00:26:57,784 --> 00:27:00,887 [ Knock on door ] 540 00:27:00,953 --> 00:27:02,121 Who the hell is that? 541 00:27:02,188 --> 00:27:03,422 It's after midnight. 542 00:27:06,158 --> 00:27:07,026 All right. 543 00:27:07,093 --> 00:27:08,160 Mel, be careful. 544 00:27:08,227 --> 00:27:09,896 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm coming. I'm coming. 545 00:27:09,962 --> 00:27:11,998 [ Knocking continues ] 546 00:27:12,064 --> 00:27:14,266 All right, all right. 547 00:27:14,333 --> 00:27:17,236 What is it? What is it? 548 00:27:17,303 --> 00:27:20,606 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 549 00:27:20,673 --> 00:27:21,708 Cox! 550 00:27:23,943 --> 00:27:25,912 Are you a gambling man, Mr. Mermelstein? 551 00:27:25,978 --> 00:27:27,313 What are you talking about? 552 00:27:27,379 --> 00:27:28,948 It's the middle of the night. 553 00:27:29,015 --> 00:27:31,350 Can I come in? 554 00:27:31,417 --> 00:27:33,886 Come in. Come in. 555 00:27:33,953 --> 00:27:35,154 You play cards? 556 00:27:35,221 --> 00:27:36,789 You want to play gin? 557 00:27:36,856 --> 00:27:39,291 What is this? Are you crazy? 558 00:27:39,358 --> 00:27:41,593 Where I come from -- lubbock, Texas -- 559 00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:43,930 we play hold'em poker. 560 00:27:43,996 --> 00:27:45,698 I have a feeling if we play our cards right, 561 00:27:45,765 --> 00:27:46,999 we might just be able 562 00:27:47,066 --> 00:27:48,234 to take these I.H.R. Boys to the cleaner-- 563 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:50,970 Mr. Cox? W-What are you doing? 564 00:27:51,037 --> 00:27:52,538 Hi, Mrs. Mermelstein. 565 00:27:52,604 --> 00:27:53,906 Look who's here. 566 00:27:53,973 --> 00:27:55,007 What is it? 567 00:27:55,074 --> 00:27:59,678 It's Adams -- Adams vs. Lindsell. 568 00:28:04,083 --> 00:28:05,985 Is this supposed to tell me something? 569 00:28:06,052 --> 00:28:07,186 Adams vs. Li-- 570 00:28:07,253 --> 00:28:09,321 that's the first case we learn about in law school. 571 00:28:09,388 --> 00:28:11,557 If somebody sends you a letter making you an offer, 572 00:28:11,623 --> 00:28:13,926 and you accept that offer, that's a legal contract. 573 00:28:13,993 --> 00:28:15,227 Yes? 574 00:28:15,294 --> 00:28:17,830 That means if you accept the challenge from the I.H.R., 575 00:28:17,897 --> 00:28:18,965 if you send them a letter 576 00:28:19,031 --> 00:28:20,666 saying, "yes, I agree, et cetera, et cetera," 577 00:28:20,733 --> 00:28:22,368 you've got a legal, binding contract. 578 00:28:22,434 --> 00:28:23,803 If they don't live up to it, 579 00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:25,337 then we can sue them for breach, 580 00:28:25,404 --> 00:28:27,206 but in a United States court of law, 581 00:28:27,273 --> 00:28:28,674 where you get a fair hearing. 582 00:28:28,741 --> 00:28:31,210 [ Laughing ] You're sure this isn't a Texas law 583 00:28:31,277 --> 00:28:33,312 you're talking about? No, no, no, no. 584 00:28:33,379 --> 00:28:35,347 This is good from sea to shining sea. 585 00:28:35,414 --> 00:28:37,249 If you send that letter of agreement, 586 00:28:37,316 --> 00:28:39,718 and if they don't respond within 30 days, 587 00:28:39,786 --> 00:28:42,254 we'll drag their butts into a real court, 588 00:28:42,321 --> 00:28:43,655 see how they like that. 589 00:28:45,925 --> 00:28:47,827 This is interesting. 590 00:28:47,894 --> 00:28:51,697 This is very interesting. 591 00:28:51,764 --> 00:28:55,201 But suppose they do respond. 592 00:28:55,267 --> 00:28:57,203 Doesn't that put me right back into their court? 593 00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:59,571 You and everybody else told me I shouldn't do that. 594 00:28:59,638 --> 00:29:02,041 That's where the gamble comes in, 595 00:29:02,108 --> 00:29:04,176 but I don't think they want to hear from you. 596 00:29:04,243 --> 00:29:06,012 I think they want to just ridicule you. 597 00:29:06,078 --> 00:29:08,280 I think they want to tell people they made you an offer 598 00:29:08,347 --> 00:29:09,281 and you ducked it. 599 00:29:11,217 --> 00:29:13,652 Very reasonable. 600 00:29:13,719 --> 00:29:15,754 But what if they do take me up on it? 601 00:29:15,822 --> 00:29:17,957 They won't. Trust me. They won't. 602 00:29:18,024 --> 00:29:20,459 And that'll be the biggest mistake they ever made. 603 00:29:20,526 --> 00:29:22,995 How can you be so sure? 604 00:29:23,062 --> 00:29:28,634 Because we're...The good guys, and they're the bad guys. 605 00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:31,838 Hmm. [ Chuckles ] 606 00:29:39,345 --> 00:29:42,081 Bill: All that says is you're accepting their challenge 607 00:29:42,148 --> 00:29:44,316 with proof that the holocaust actually happened. 608 00:29:44,383 --> 00:29:46,052 Thank you. Thank you. 609 00:29:46,118 --> 00:29:48,254 Now, if we don't hear from them within 30 days, 610 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,722 we've got them in court. 611 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:53,960 Let's get that in the mail and make it official. 612 00:29:54,026 --> 00:29:57,596 Okay. Now, there's just one thing. 613 00:29:57,663 --> 00:29:59,065 Yeah? 614 00:29:59,131 --> 00:30:00,933 We haven't talked about your fee. Oh, yeah. 615 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,002 Weren't we supposed to make an arrangement? 616 00:30:03,069 --> 00:30:04,871 Yeah. 617 00:30:04,937 --> 00:30:07,940 Uh, I've been thinking about that, Mel. 618 00:30:08,007 --> 00:30:10,709 And, uh, I think 619 00:30:10,776 --> 00:30:13,679 I'm gonna have to take this case pro bono. 620 00:30:13,745 --> 00:30:16,115 I'm sorry. In English, please? 621 00:30:16,182 --> 00:30:20,419 Oh, that's "for the public good." 622 00:30:20,486 --> 00:30:22,454 That means that my services are free. 623 00:30:22,521 --> 00:30:23,622 No, no, no. 624 00:30:23,689 --> 00:30:25,524 No, no. Listen, you're gonna have enough expenses. 625 00:30:25,591 --> 00:30:27,359 Believe me. Well, all right, but you can't take -- 626 00:30:27,426 --> 00:30:28,660 now, that's the deal. 627 00:30:28,727 --> 00:30:31,663 All right. 628 00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:34,533 Okay. 30 days and counting, huh? 629 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,601 Yeah. 630 00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:38,004 So, tell me, when you played hold'em poker, 631 00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:39,138 did you bluff a lot? 632 00:30:39,205 --> 00:30:40,772 Oh, I bluffed all the time. 633 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:42,208 I was famous for bluffing. 634 00:30:42,274 --> 00:30:43,775 How often did you win? 635 00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:44,743 I never won. 636 00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:47,179 That's probably why I was famous. 637 00:30:47,246 --> 00:30:48,647 Oh, boy. 638 00:30:48,714 --> 00:30:50,749 [ Indistinct shouting ] 639 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,688 If the case goes to court, I'm gonna need some witnesses. 640 00:30:56,755 --> 00:30:59,225 Mr. Cox on line two. 641 00:30:59,291 --> 00:31:00,226 Just a second. 642 00:31:00,292 --> 00:31:01,994 Yeah. I got to go, Kevin. 643 00:31:02,061 --> 00:31:04,196 [ Chuckles ] You can count on it. If I -- 644 00:31:04,263 --> 00:31:06,398 yeah. I'll be in touch. 645 00:31:06,465 --> 00:31:08,834 All right. Bye. 646 00:31:08,901 --> 00:31:10,802 Hello, bill. Yeah? 647 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:14,106 Yeah? No! I haven't heard anything. 648 00:31:14,173 --> 00:31:15,241 No. Nothing in the mail. 649 00:31:15,307 --> 00:31:16,642 You? 650 00:31:16,708 --> 00:31:18,310 Oh, good. 651 00:31:18,377 --> 00:31:20,980 Okay. Yeah. No, I can't. 652 00:31:21,047 --> 00:31:22,514 What have we got -- two weeks? 653 00:31:22,581 --> 00:31:24,150 I'm going crazy. I can't eat. 654 00:31:24,216 --> 00:31:25,884 I can't work. I can't sleep. 655 00:31:25,952 --> 00:31:28,454 Losing weight. The best diet I ever had. 656 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,356 Oh, on the toe. 657 00:31:30,422 --> 00:31:32,591 Up! Oh! 658 00:31:32,658 --> 00:31:35,861 Oh, that was cool. 659 00:31:35,928 --> 00:31:37,964 Yeah, you like that, huh? Dad, show US. 660 00:31:38,030 --> 00:31:39,331 It only took me 40 years of practice. 661 00:31:39,398 --> 00:31:40,933 I'll show you how. Show US how to do it. 662 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,034 Wait a minute. Wait a minute. 663 00:31:42,101 --> 00:31:44,336 The mail is here. 664 00:31:44,403 --> 00:31:45,537 The mail is here. I'm gonna get it. 665 00:31:45,604 --> 00:31:47,940 No, dad! Dad, show US. 666 00:31:48,007 --> 00:31:49,541 I'll go! I'll go! 667 00:31:49,608 --> 00:31:50,842 Mel: Put your foot on it. 668 00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:52,144 Dad. Yeah? 669 00:31:52,211 --> 00:31:53,579 They're starting a peewee league down at the park, 670 00:31:53,645 --> 00:31:55,414 and we need a coach. 671 00:31:55,481 --> 00:31:56,448 Could you do it? 672 00:31:56,515 --> 00:31:58,417 I wish I could. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 673 00:31:58,484 --> 00:31:59,651 Yep. 674 00:31:59,718 --> 00:32:01,120 Come on. Come on, guys. 675 00:32:01,187 --> 00:32:03,122 That's it. Good. All right, come on. 676 00:32:03,189 --> 00:32:04,923 Good, good. Take it away. 677 00:32:04,991 --> 00:32:07,893 [ Screaming ] 678 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,228 What is it?! What is it?! 679 00:32:09,295 --> 00:32:10,462 Kenny: Edie, what happened?! What is it?! 680 00:32:10,529 --> 00:32:12,064 [ Sobbing ] What's the matter? 681 00:32:16,268 --> 00:32:17,636 Oh, my god. 682 00:32:19,271 --> 00:32:21,040 Bill: "Hair of Jew, gassed victim." 683 00:32:21,107 --> 00:32:24,110 This was in the envelope, also. 684 00:32:24,176 --> 00:32:26,312 "Pure Jewish fat suet. 685 00:32:26,378 --> 00:32:30,216 Hungarian Jews. Auschwitz gas chamber." 686 00:32:30,282 --> 00:32:33,419 [ Sighs ] God, almighty. 687 00:32:33,485 --> 00:32:34,653 Let me... 688 00:32:37,489 --> 00:32:41,693 No return address, of course. 689 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,262 There's so many nuts out there. 690 00:32:43,329 --> 00:32:45,764 No telling where it came from. 691 00:32:45,831 --> 00:32:48,067 Are we in danger? 692 00:32:48,134 --> 00:32:51,370 I mean, the kids -- do you think...? 693 00:32:51,437 --> 00:32:55,507 We'll just have to be careful and take precautions. 694 00:32:55,574 --> 00:32:57,943 What kind of precautions? 695 00:32:58,010 --> 00:33:01,280 I-I'd put dead bolts on the doors, Mel. 696 00:33:01,347 --> 00:33:03,149 Make sure you always know where the children are. 697 00:33:03,215 --> 00:33:04,816 Don't ever let them out at night alone. 698 00:33:04,883 --> 00:33:06,752 Oh, boy. 699 00:33:06,818 --> 00:33:09,788 Oh, Edie, come in. Come in. 700 00:33:12,891 --> 00:33:14,426 How are you feeling? 701 00:33:14,493 --> 00:33:17,496 Okay. Do I look terrible? 702 00:33:17,563 --> 00:33:19,331 Let me see. 703 00:33:19,398 --> 00:33:23,001 Oh, a little plastic surgery here and here. 704 00:33:23,069 --> 00:33:24,303 You'll be fine. 705 00:33:24,370 --> 00:33:25,704 Hi, sweetie. 706 00:33:25,771 --> 00:33:28,107 Hi. 707 00:33:28,174 --> 00:33:30,942 I'm sorry, papa. I just lost it. 708 00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:34,813 Oh, you shouldn't have to see that kind of stuff. 709 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,284 Well, that letter was sent to the mermelstein family. 710 00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:40,519 That includes me, doesn't it? 711 00:33:45,891 --> 00:33:48,660 Yeah. 712 00:33:49,828 --> 00:33:50,829 I don't know why 713 00:33:50,896 --> 00:33:52,431 I didn't count on something like this. 714 00:33:52,498 --> 00:33:55,401 Myself, I don't care. 715 00:33:55,467 --> 00:33:59,405 But the kids -- they don't understand. 716 00:33:59,471 --> 00:34:01,340 It's scary. 717 00:34:01,407 --> 00:34:04,543 Scary when the kids take the brunt of it. 718 00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:07,879 Well, six more days, huh? 719 00:34:07,946 --> 00:34:09,415 Yeah, six more days. 720 00:34:09,481 --> 00:34:11,383 But who's counting? 721 00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:12,518 [ Exhales sharply ] 722 00:34:14,686 --> 00:34:17,022 Girls: * k-i-s-s-i-n-g * 723 00:34:17,089 --> 00:34:19,425 * first come love, then comes marriage * 724 00:34:19,491 --> 00:34:20,892 Kenny: Hi, dad! 725 00:34:20,959 --> 00:34:24,763 Mel: Kenny. How did the soccer practice go? 726 00:34:24,830 --> 00:34:26,165 Pretty good. Yeah? 727 00:34:26,232 --> 00:34:28,667 I've been trying to do like you said -- 728 00:34:28,734 --> 00:34:31,036 you know, keeping my toe down. Yeah. 729 00:34:31,103 --> 00:34:33,305 I'll have to come out and take a look. 730 00:34:33,372 --> 00:34:34,673 When? 731 00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:37,643 One of these days. 732 00:34:37,709 --> 00:34:41,147 Oh, come on. Don't give me that face. 733 00:34:41,213 --> 00:34:43,149 You know, if this case goes to court, 734 00:34:43,215 --> 00:34:44,950 it's gonna take a lot of work. 735 00:34:45,016 --> 00:34:47,018 We have to be prepared, huh? Come on. 736 00:34:48,754 --> 00:34:51,523 Dad, you know, talking about that stuff, 737 00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:53,959 what happened to... Well, you know. 738 00:34:54,025 --> 00:34:55,461 Doesn't it make you feel bad? 739 00:34:55,527 --> 00:34:57,229 Feel bad? 740 00:34:57,296 --> 00:35:00,432 Yeah. It makes me feel bad. 741 00:35:00,499 --> 00:35:02,401 Then why do you do it? 742 00:35:02,468 --> 00:35:05,871 Mr. Nackman and Mrs. Schwartz down at the synagogue. 743 00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:07,206 There was a whole bunch 744 00:35:07,273 --> 00:35:09,841 who were taken away at the concentration camps. 745 00:35:09,908 --> 00:35:12,511 They don't go around talking about it all the time. 746 00:35:12,578 --> 00:35:14,213 Well, you're right. 747 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,317 They are who they are, and I am who I am. 748 00:35:20,486 --> 00:35:23,155 You know who taught me to keep my toe down? 749 00:35:23,222 --> 00:35:26,858 My father -- your grandfather. 750 00:35:26,925 --> 00:35:30,196 He told me to practice by walking along, kicking stones. 751 00:35:30,262 --> 00:35:34,333 My mother got mad because I was tearing up my shoes. 752 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,335 [ Laughter ] 753 00:35:36,402 --> 00:35:38,036 Grandpa played soccer? 754 00:35:38,103 --> 00:35:39,471 Oh, yeah. 755 00:35:39,538 --> 00:35:41,507 He was the captain of the team the men had there. 756 00:35:41,573 --> 00:35:44,576 He was the high scorer. I never told you that? 757 00:35:44,643 --> 00:35:47,112 You just told me about a game 758 00:35:47,179 --> 00:35:48,980 you used to play on your birthday -- 759 00:35:49,047 --> 00:35:51,183 hiding the candy behind his back. 760 00:35:51,250 --> 00:35:52,684 Yeah. 761 00:35:52,751 --> 00:35:56,555 That he was a winemaker and then that thing happened. 762 00:35:56,622 --> 00:35:58,123 You were all taken away. 763 00:35:58,190 --> 00:36:00,859 Yeah. 764 00:36:00,926 --> 00:36:03,829 So, you want to know why I make speeches all the time? 765 00:36:03,895 --> 00:36:05,631 Sure. 766 00:36:05,697 --> 00:36:08,800 Maybe it's time we should talk about it. 767 00:36:11,102 --> 00:36:13,505 Two days after they took US to Auschwitz, 768 00:36:13,572 --> 00:36:19,177 my brother, lajos -- your uncle -- he and I, 769 00:36:19,245 --> 00:36:21,547 we already got our tattoos with the numbers here. 770 00:36:21,613 --> 00:36:23,081 See? 771 00:36:23,148 --> 00:36:27,118 And, uh, we went looking for our father 772 00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:29,120 because we wanted him to have our numbers 773 00:36:29,187 --> 00:36:30,589 because if he got separated, 774 00:36:30,656 --> 00:36:32,458 the number was the best identification. 775 00:36:32,524 --> 00:36:35,994 You understand what I'm talking about? 776 00:36:36,061 --> 00:36:39,097 And, um, the women were already gone. 777 00:36:39,164 --> 00:36:41,767 My mother and my sisters were gone. 778 00:36:41,833 --> 00:36:44,870 We found my father. 779 00:36:44,936 --> 00:36:47,038 And already, from the work, 780 00:36:47,105 --> 00:36:51,443 from the torment, he looked 10 years older. 781 00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:55,914 And he said, "this is a place of death." 782 00:36:55,981 --> 00:37:00,519 He told US he saw a flaming pit 783 00:37:00,586 --> 00:37:03,522 where they were burning bodies, 784 00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:06,758 and he said to US, 785 00:37:06,825 --> 00:37:11,863 "we have to separate... Permanently. 786 00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:13,332 Separate." 787 00:37:16,101 --> 00:37:18,670 And we tried to argue with him, and he said, "no." 788 00:37:18,737 --> 00:37:21,540 He wouldn't listen. He knew. 789 00:37:21,607 --> 00:37:23,542 He said, "I understand 790 00:37:23,609 --> 00:37:24,910 "you think you'll be able to take care of me, 791 00:37:24,976 --> 00:37:28,447 "but it's not gonna be like that. 792 00:37:28,514 --> 00:37:32,718 "There will only be pain and hunger and starvation 793 00:37:32,784 --> 00:37:35,287 "and watching each other's suffering, 794 00:37:35,354 --> 00:37:38,424 and that will be the worst thing of all," you know. 795 00:37:40,726 --> 00:37:43,194 He asked US to make him a promise. 796 00:37:43,261 --> 00:37:44,195 Promise? 797 00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:45,764 Yeah. 798 00:37:49,468 --> 00:37:50,902 I can't talk about this now. 799 00:37:50,969 --> 00:37:54,239 Some other time, okay, Kenny? 800 00:37:54,306 --> 00:37:56,975 Some other time. 801 00:38:04,750 --> 00:38:07,152 Mel, what are you doing? 802 00:38:07,218 --> 00:38:08,954 Shh. Go back to sleep. 803 00:38:09,020 --> 00:38:10,221 It's all right. 804 00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:13,191 [ Sighs ] 805 00:38:13,258 --> 00:38:15,327 W-Where are you going so early? 806 00:38:15,394 --> 00:38:18,464 I can't sleep. 807 00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:21,433 It's the last day. 808 00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:22,701 I'll call you from work. 809 00:38:24,703 --> 00:38:27,873 All right. Bye. 810 00:38:27,939 --> 00:38:30,576 [ Sighs ] 811 00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:31,610 [ Door closes ] 812 00:38:31,677 --> 00:38:34,813 [ Telephone rings ] 813 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,748 Jack, Jack. 814 00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:38,316 Mr. Mermelstein, hi. What's happening? 815 00:38:38,384 --> 00:38:39,951 Listen, Jack, I need a favor. 816 00:38:40,018 --> 00:38:42,320 It's very important, or I wouldn't ask. 817 00:38:42,388 --> 00:38:45,991 Is it possible that I could have today's mail now? 818 00:38:46,057 --> 00:38:48,994 Well, uh, you're in luck. I just finished sorting here. 819 00:38:49,060 --> 00:38:52,464 Okay. 820 00:38:52,531 --> 00:38:53,599 Thanks. This is it, huh? 821 00:38:53,665 --> 00:38:54,666 That's all of it. 822 00:38:59,438 --> 00:39:01,673 No, no. 823 00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:03,775 No. No. Okay. 824 00:39:03,842 --> 00:39:04,843 Jack, thank you. 825 00:39:04,910 --> 00:39:06,378 Find what you're looking for? 826 00:39:06,445 --> 00:39:08,013 No. No. Thank god, no. 827 00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,115 [ Telephone ringing ] 828 00:39:15,186 --> 00:39:16,287 Hello? 829 00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:19,357 Mel: Rise and shine, coxie. 830 00:39:19,425 --> 00:39:20,358 Mel, what is it? 831 00:39:20,426 --> 00:39:22,260 You know what today is? 832 00:39:22,327 --> 00:39:25,564 Give me a break, will you? 833 00:39:25,631 --> 00:39:27,132 It's 6:00 in the morning. 834 00:39:27,198 --> 00:39:29,668 It's 30 days, and I got no answer. 835 00:39:29,735 --> 00:39:33,572 Oh, yeah. All right. 836 00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:36,274 Uh, come on over to the office. 837 00:39:36,341 --> 00:39:37,876 See you there. 838 00:39:39,110 --> 00:39:41,413 Okay. 839 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,248 Okay. 840 00:39:44,916 --> 00:39:46,952 Woman: Cody, pull the string harder. 841 00:39:47,018 --> 00:39:49,287 No. 842 00:39:49,354 --> 00:39:51,189 No, no. 843 00:39:51,256 --> 00:39:54,960 No. Nothing. 844 00:39:55,026 --> 00:39:58,163 We got them, Mel. 845 00:39:58,229 --> 00:40:01,032 They can take their kangaroo court and stick it. 846 00:40:01,099 --> 00:40:02,167 We're gonna take them 847 00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:03,802 to a United States court of law. 848 00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:12,177 Mazel tov, bill. 849 00:40:12,243 --> 00:40:14,012 Mazel tov, Mel. 850 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:15,413 [ Laughs ] 851 00:40:15,481 --> 00:40:18,283 We got a lot of work to do. 852 00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:22,353 Let me show you this day-by-day battle plan. 853 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:23,655 This is where we are right now. 854 00:40:23,722 --> 00:40:25,557 Now we're gonna prepare an amended complaint, 855 00:40:25,624 --> 00:40:28,259 and we'll get them with a motion of summary judgment. 856 00:40:28,326 --> 00:40:30,095 We'll hit them so hard and so fast, 857 00:40:30,161 --> 00:40:32,263 they won't have time to figure out what we're doing. 858 00:40:32,330 --> 00:40:36,502 Interrogatories, depositions, statements of witnesses, 859 00:40:36,568 --> 00:40:39,304 causes of action, documented evidence. 860 00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:41,673 Because they're thugs, they'll keep defaulting. 861 00:40:41,740 --> 00:40:43,475 We'll set default hearings. 862 00:40:43,542 --> 00:40:45,744 We're gonna hit them with the law, Mel. 863 00:40:45,811 --> 00:40:48,580 We're gonna keep pounding and pounding away, 864 00:40:48,647 --> 00:40:50,381 and we're gonna hit them with the law. 865 00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:51,850 You must be so proud of her. 866 00:40:51,917 --> 00:40:53,619 Yes. I asked how long and said, "why, 867 00:40:53,685 --> 00:40:55,487 "if you have so much time for articles, 868 00:40:55,554 --> 00:40:56,855 you don't write to your mother?" 869 00:40:56,922 --> 00:40:59,457 So she says, "why, I have nothing to tell you." 870 00:40:59,525 --> 00:41:02,728 So I said, "write and tell me you have nothing to tell me." 871 00:41:02,794 --> 00:41:04,429 [ Laughter ] 872 00:41:04,496 --> 00:41:07,232 My mama told me when you eat, 873 00:41:07,298 --> 00:41:09,134 every meal is a feast, 874 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,203 so whether you know it or not, we're having a feast. 875 00:41:12,270 --> 00:41:13,304 Sit. Sit. 876 00:41:13,371 --> 00:41:16,141 It's lovely, Elsie. It's just lovely. 877 00:41:16,207 --> 00:41:18,910 Elsie, you'll be able to come to court 878 00:41:18,977 --> 00:41:20,746 and testify if we need you? 879 00:41:20,812 --> 00:41:23,649 Testify? 880 00:41:23,715 --> 00:41:26,818 What are you saying? 881 00:41:26,885 --> 00:41:28,920 I told you, my case. 882 00:41:28,987 --> 00:41:30,188 My lawyer thinks 883 00:41:30,255 --> 00:41:33,058 you'll make a very important witness for US. 884 00:41:33,124 --> 00:41:35,727 You're from the same town, and you knew my family, 885 00:41:35,794 --> 00:41:36,962 and we were in Auschwitz together. 886 00:41:37,028 --> 00:41:38,797 Shh! Shh! Shh! 887 00:41:43,368 --> 00:41:45,704 Shh. Don't say that. Don't say that. 888 00:41:45,771 --> 00:41:47,973 You have to leave now. Go by the back door. 889 00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:49,875 Elsie, what is it? 890 00:41:49,941 --> 00:41:51,777 Oh, my god. Oh, my god. 891 00:41:54,546 --> 00:41:57,048 They come at night. 892 00:41:57,115 --> 00:41:58,316 I push the furniture against the door, 893 00:41:58,383 --> 00:42:00,118 but it doesn't do any good. 894 00:42:00,185 --> 00:42:01,352 Who comes, Elsie? 895 00:42:01,419 --> 00:42:05,123 The gestapo, with their swastikas. 896 00:42:09,595 --> 00:42:12,764 And they sit on the edge of my bed. 897 00:42:16,301 --> 00:42:18,136 But I trick them. 898 00:42:18,203 --> 00:42:22,040 I don't open my eyes, 899 00:42:22,107 --> 00:42:25,210 because the moment that I see them, 900 00:42:25,276 --> 00:42:27,846 they take me away again. 901 00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:34,385 It's all right, Elsie. I understand. 902 00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:42,393 Oh, let me get you some cookies. 903 00:42:45,463 --> 00:42:48,166 Oh, well, the cookies are in already. 904 00:42:48,233 --> 00:42:50,769 The cookies are there already. I forgot. 905 00:42:50,836 --> 00:42:51,937 Please, have some. 906 00:42:52,003 --> 00:42:53,905 Look, it's poppy seeds. 907 00:42:58,343 --> 00:43:00,779 God, that poor, dear lady. 908 00:43:00,846 --> 00:43:02,380 Could you imagine 909 00:43:02,447 --> 00:43:05,216 if that institute's lawyer got a hold of her oh, yeah... 910 00:43:05,283 --> 00:43:07,152 And put her on the witness stand? 911 00:43:07,218 --> 00:43:10,321 She'd be so traumatized. She'd be torn to pieces. 912 00:43:14,893 --> 00:43:17,528 [ Sighs ] 913 00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:21,767 Mel: Bernie! Bernie! 914 00:43:21,833 --> 00:43:22,934 [ Indistinct shouting ] 915 00:43:23,001 --> 00:43:25,704 Hey, guys, excuse me. Excuse me, guys. 916 00:43:25,771 --> 00:43:27,472 Bernie, I need your help with the sprinklers. 917 00:43:27,538 --> 00:43:29,007 The digital thing is over my head. 918 00:43:29,074 --> 00:43:30,942 I'm sorry, guys. He's the official fixer here. 919 00:43:31,009 --> 00:43:32,310 He's a regular Einstein. 920 00:43:32,377 --> 00:43:36,047 Dad, we're in the middle of a game. 921 00:43:36,114 --> 00:43:37,282 Bernie, it'll just take a minute. 922 00:43:37,348 --> 00:43:39,250 I don't want to waste all this water. 923 00:43:39,317 --> 00:43:40,451 Turn it off at the main. 924 00:43:40,518 --> 00:43:41,887 Just let US finish our game, all right? 925 00:43:42,754 --> 00:43:44,790 Bernie. 926 00:43:44,856 --> 00:43:46,725 It's getting late, Bernie. 927 00:43:46,792 --> 00:43:48,359 I'm gonna split. 928 00:43:48,426 --> 00:43:49,427 See you later, Chuck. 929 00:43:49,494 --> 00:43:50,428 Hey, can I get a ride with you? 930 00:43:50,495 --> 00:43:51,663 Yeah. Come on. 931 00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:55,233 Hey, take it easy, Chuck. See you later, Bern. 932 00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:57,068 You satisfied now? 933 00:43:57,135 --> 00:43:58,403 What's the matter? 934 00:43:58,469 --> 00:43:59,738 You ruined my game. 935 00:43:59,805 --> 00:44:03,675 Bernie, one game is so important? 936 00:44:03,742 --> 00:44:05,210 You want me to fix the sprinklers, 937 00:44:05,276 --> 00:44:06,644 okay, I'll fix the sprinklers. 938 00:44:06,712 --> 00:44:08,714 You're not just the star boarder here, you know. 939 00:44:08,780 --> 00:44:10,148 You're a member of the family. 940 00:44:10,215 --> 00:44:11,382 Yeah, look who's talking. 941 00:44:13,484 --> 00:44:15,020 What is that supposed to mean? 942 00:44:17,222 --> 00:44:18,223 Forget it. 943 00:44:18,289 --> 00:44:19,791 No, no, no. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. 944 00:44:19,858 --> 00:44:21,426 You got something on your mind, let me hear. 945 00:44:21,492 --> 00:44:23,695 You broke up my game to fix a sprinkler, 946 00:44:23,762 --> 00:44:25,396 so I fixed them, all right? 947 00:44:25,463 --> 00:44:28,399 Mel? 948 00:44:28,466 --> 00:44:30,168 Bill Cox is on the phone. 949 00:44:36,241 --> 00:44:39,544 Mel: What the hell is this? 950 00:44:39,610 --> 00:44:42,513 Bill: This is what you find when you look under rocks. 951 00:44:44,182 --> 00:44:45,817 I'm afraid the I.H.R. 952 00:44:45,884 --> 00:44:48,720 Is not a small, isolated bunch of fanatics. 953 00:44:48,787 --> 00:44:52,791 Ay, ay, ay. Anne frank a hoax? 954 00:44:52,858 --> 00:44:54,893 Where did you get this garbage? 955 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,494 Seems they're connected 956 00:44:56,561 --> 00:44:58,964 with the well-funded empire of hate 957 00:44:59,030 --> 00:45:01,632 spread out all over the country. 958 00:45:01,699 --> 00:45:04,269 They have publishing houses, newspapers. 959 00:45:04,335 --> 00:45:07,172 They even have radio and television programs. 960 00:45:07,238 --> 00:45:08,573 Where did you find this? 961 00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:10,241 It's in the public record. 962 00:45:10,308 --> 00:45:12,310 The point is, Mel, 963 00:45:12,377 --> 00:45:15,546 this might be just the tip of the iceberg. 964 00:45:15,613 --> 00:45:16,848 I don't know how much money 965 00:45:16,915 --> 00:45:18,850 they're willing to pour into this case. 966 00:45:18,917 --> 00:45:21,887 This could get very expensive. 967 00:45:21,953 --> 00:45:24,255 Bill, I want to tell you something. 968 00:45:24,322 --> 00:45:26,591 They're gonna do whatever they have to do, 969 00:45:26,657 --> 00:45:28,927 and I'm gonna do whatever I have to do -- 970 00:45:28,994 --> 00:45:29,995 whatever it takes. 971 00:45:30,061 --> 00:45:31,662 I can't let them frighten me. 972 00:45:31,729 --> 00:45:33,799 These are liars and bullies. 973 00:45:33,865 --> 00:45:36,734 They're gonna find out they picked the wrong guy. 974 00:45:36,802 --> 00:45:38,536 Whose shoes are those? 975 00:45:38,603 --> 00:45:41,506 Those shoes belonged to children -- 976 00:45:41,572 --> 00:45:43,441 little boys and girls who went into the camps 977 00:45:43,508 --> 00:45:44,776 with their mothers and fathers. 978 00:45:44,843 --> 00:45:46,711 There were many, many that went in that way. 979 00:45:46,778 --> 00:45:48,213 If you look below the shoes, 980 00:45:48,279 --> 00:45:51,149 you'll see the pictures of children who were prisoners. 981 00:45:51,216 --> 00:45:53,151 They're wearing the prisoners' uniform, you see, 982 00:45:53,218 --> 00:45:54,485 with the stripes. 983 00:45:54,552 --> 00:45:55,887 How old do you think those children are? 984 00:45:55,954 --> 00:45:57,322 6. 13. 985 00:45:57,388 --> 00:45:59,757 5. 7. 986 00:45:59,825 --> 00:46:01,126 12. 987 00:46:01,192 --> 00:46:03,328 Mel: And how old are you? All: 12. 988 00:46:03,394 --> 00:46:04,996 Yeah. Boy: I'm 11. 989 00:46:05,063 --> 00:46:08,166 So, they were the same ages as you are. 990 00:46:08,233 --> 00:46:09,700 Girl: Uh, is that barbed wire, 991 00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:11,269 you know, really from the camp? 992 00:46:11,336 --> 00:46:13,071 Yes, and down at the bottom here, 993 00:46:13,138 --> 00:46:15,340 you see actual barbed wire 994 00:46:15,406 --> 00:46:17,408 that I used to make the Jewish star of David. 995 00:46:17,475 --> 00:46:20,078 Boy: I know. I know. These are spoons and forks. 996 00:46:20,145 --> 00:46:21,246 Yes, that's right. 997 00:46:21,312 --> 00:46:23,114 Spoons and forks, knives, scissors, 998 00:46:23,181 --> 00:46:24,749 or shaving equipment -- 999 00:46:24,816 --> 00:46:26,651 all kinds of utensils that the prisoners brought with them 1000 00:46:26,717 --> 00:46:28,286 to the camps 1001 00:46:28,353 --> 00:46:30,288 because they thought they would use them for their daily use. 1002 00:46:30,355 --> 00:46:31,990 Even over here, you see the little bottles 1003 00:46:32,057 --> 00:46:34,092 that they brought their personal medication. 1004 00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:35,760 Boy: What does this mean? 1005 00:46:35,827 --> 00:46:37,695 This is in the Hebrew language. 1006 00:46:37,762 --> 00:46:39,197 It's known as the kaddish, 1007 00:46:39,264 --> 00:46:40,999 which is the mourners prayer over the dead. 1008 00:46:41,066 --> 00:46:42,367 For example, here, it says... 1009 00:46:42,433 --> 00:46:43,701 [ Speaking Hebrew ] 1010 00:46:47,338 --> 00:46:50,141 Why did the Nazis do all this, Mr. Mermelstein? 1011 00:46:50,208 --> 00:46:51,910 Oh, that's a good question. 1012 00:46:51,977 --> 00:46:55,280 You see, this is an old political trick. 1013 00:46:55,346 --> 00:46:57,215 If you can find a scapegoat, 1014 00:46:57,282 --> 00:47:00,185 somebody you can blame for all the problems, 1015 00:47:00,251 --> 00:47:02,420 and if you can get people to believe 1016 00:47:02,487 --> 00:47:05,823 that their lives would be better if those people were gone, 1017 00:47:05,891 --> 00:47:08,259 then that's a way of getting power. 1018 00:47:08,326 --> 00:47:10,996 This is your mommy and daddy, Mr. Mermelstein? 1019 00:47:11,062 --> 00:47:13,899 This is my family, the way we were before the war. 1020 00:47:13,965 --> 00:47:15,700 You say the Germans killed all of them -- 1021 00:47:15,766 --> 00:47:17,335 your whole family? 1022 00:47:17,402 --> 00:47:18,970 What is your name? 1023 00:47:19,037 --> 00:47:20,271 Arnold Chester. 1024 00:47:20,338 --> 00:47:22,908 Yes, Arnold, they certainly did. 1025 00:47:22,974 --> 00:47:26,945 That's one of the reasons I built this place. 1026 00:47:27,012 --> 00:47:28,947 You see, I don't know 1027 00:47:29,014 --> 00:47:31,249 where my mother and my father are buried, 1028 00:47:31,316 --> 00:47:32,951 so I can't go visit them 1029 00:47:33,018 --> 00:47:35,320 and put flowers on their graves, 1030 00:47:35,386 --> 00:47:38,890 so instead, I can come here 1031 00:47:38,957 --> 00:47:41,092 and think about them in this way. 1032 00:47:47,966 --> 00:47:49,935 [ Indistinct conversations ] 1033 00:47:51,937 --> 00:47:52,971 [ Applause ] 1034 00:47:56,007 --> 00:47:59,777 Uh, there's seats in the back. Hurry, please. 1035 00:47:59,844 --> 00:48:01,479 Better late than never. 1036 00:48:01,546 --> 00:48:03,314 [ Laughter ] 1037 00:48:03,381 --> 00:48:04,849 [ Clears throat ] 1038 00:48:04,916 --> 00:48:08,186 My friends, we now have irrefutable scientific proof 1039 00:48:08,253 --> 00:48:10,855 that the holocaust is a myth -- 1040 00:48:10,922 --> 00:48:12,490 a gruesome, ugly tale 1041 00:48:12,557 --> 00:48:15,293 of the alleged 6 million Jews gassed 1042 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,029 or otherwise dispatched by the Nazis. 1043 00:48:18,096 --> 00:48:23,068 But the truth is Adolf Hitler did not gas a single Jew. 1044 00:48:24,869 --> 00:48:27,672 The Jews claim the Nazis 1045 00:48:27,738 --> 00:48:30,875 lured them into shower rooms and gassed them. 1046 00:48:30,942 --> 00:48:33,178 Our evidence shows 1047 00:48:33,244 --> 00:48:36,814 the Jews were, indeed, lured into shower rooms, 1048 00:48:36,881 --> 00:48:38,916 but only because the Nazis 1049 00:48:38,984 --> 00:48:41,552 were trying to delouse all of the prisoners 1050 00:48:41,619 --> 00:48:45,056 to prevent the spread of typhus, which was ravaging the camps. 1051 00:48:45,123 --> 00:48:47,325 There's another one who says Hitler never killed a Jew. 1052 00:48:47,392 --> 00:48:48,559 Shh, shh, shh. 1053 00:48:48,626 --> 00:48:51,662 Of course some Jews died. It was war, wasn't it? 1054 00:48:51,729 --> 00:48:54,865 And in a war, everybody suffers. 1055 00:48:54,932 --> 00:48:58,003 Jews died from malnutrition, typhus, 1056 00:48:58,069 --> 00:49:00,005 some even from allied bombing, 1057 00:49:00,071 --> 00:49:02,607 along with German soldiers and civilians. 1058 00:49:02,673 --> 00:49:06,111 But the so-called final solution -- 1059 00:49:06,177 --> 00:49:11,316 the idea that Adolf Hitler had a plan 1060 00:49:11,382 --> 00:49:14,152 to systematically exterminate the Jewish race... 1061 00:49:14,219 --> 00:49:16,187 "So-called," he said. 1062 00:49:16,254 --> 00:49:19,624 ...is a concoction of the Jewish imagination. 1063 00:49:19,690 --> 00:49:21,592 This is a lie. 1064 00:49:21,659 --> 00:49:22,793 [ Crowd murmuring ] 1065 00:49:24,262 --> 00:49:27,432 Shut up, will you? 1066 00:49:27,498 --> 00:49:30,068 No, I don't want to leave. I'm gonna stay here. 1067 00:49:30,135 --> 00:49:32,003 Woman: Be quiet. 1068 00:49:32,070 --> 00:49:33,038 It has been... 1069 00:49:33,104 --> 00:49:35,306 It's okay. We'll continue. 1070 00:49:35,373 --> 00:49:37,842 It has been scientifically estimated 1071 00:49:37,908 --> 00:49:40,745 that perhaps 300,000 it's not easy to listen to this crap. 1072 00:49:40,811 --> 00:49:43,614 To half a million Jews died, and this is before. 1073 00:49:43,681 --> 00:49:47,085 But this myth of the holocaust -- 1074 00:49:47,152 --> 00:49:50,455 of 6 million Jews being killed by the third reich, 1075 00:49:50,521 --> 00:49:56,461 is simply a lie -- a lie truly devised by the Jews 1076 00:49:56,527 --> 00:49:59,564 to squeeze blood, money, and sympathy 1077 00:49:59,630 --> 00:50:01,932 out of patriotic Americans for Jewish culture! 1078 00:50:01,999 --> 00:50:03,934 You're a liar! [ Cheers and applause ] 1079 00:50:04,001 --> 00:50:06,804 Excuse me, sir. This is a private meeting. 1080 00:50:06,871 --> 00:50:08,439 You're a lying bastard! 1081 00:50:08,506 --> 00:50:10,108 Hey, hey, get out of here! 1082 00:50:10,175 --> 00:50:11,042 Get him off of there! 1083 00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:12,143 Why don't you tell the truth?! 1084 00:50:12,210 --> 00:50:13,511 Get out of here! 1085 00:50:13,578 --> 00:50:14,945 [ Indistinct shouting ] 1086 00:50:15,012 --> 00:50:16,347 Hold it, hold it, hold it. 1087 00:50:16,414 --> 00:50:17,282 You should be ashamed of yourself! 1088 00:50:17,348 --> 00:50:18,783 We can't speak the truth? 1089 00:50:18,849 --> 00:50:21,319 Man: He's a Jew! 1090 00:50:22,187 --> 00:50:23,688 Get out of here! 1091 00:50:23,754 --> 00:50:25,390 Shame on you! Shame on you! 1092 00:50:25,456 --> 00:50:26,824 This is america. 1093 00:50:26,891 --> 00:50:29,194 Woman: Yeah, this is america, Jew boy! 1094 00:50:29,260 --> 00:50:32,830 Man: Yeah! Get him out of my sight! 1095 00:50:32,897 --> 00:50:34,199 Get out of here, would you?! 1096 00:50:34,265 --> 00:50:36,701 Man back?! I'll rip your face off! 1097 00:50:36,767 --> 00:50:38,436 Go back to where you come from, kike! 1098 00:50:38,503 --> 00:50:41,106 You miserable son of a...Lying... 1099 00:50:41,172 --> 00:50:43,408 Listen to me! Listen to me! 1100 00:50:43,474 --> 00:50:45,376 I am not defending you for assault. 1101 00:50:45,443 --> 00:50:47,145 Now stop acting like a hoodlum. 1102 00:50:47,212 --> 00:50:50,381 You understand that? 1103 00:50:50,448 --> 00:50:52,617 We'd better get our day in court, my friend. 1104 00:50:52,683 --> 00:50:53,784 We're going to court. 1105 00:50:53,851 --> 00:50:56,121 We'd better get our day in court. 1106 00:51:11,402 --> 00:51:12,503 Edie? 1107 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,408 Oh, hi, dad. 1108 00:51:17,475 --> 00:51:19,377 Jane: I told her she could wait up for you. 1109 00:51:19,444 --> 00:51:21,479 She wanted to show you her dress. 1110 00:51:21,546 --> 00:51:24,982 [ Exaggerated southern accent ] My card at the magnolia ball 1111 00:51:25,049 --> 00:51:29,254 was filled the first night I wore this gown. 1112 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,190 I save it now for the important times. 1113 00:51:32,257 --> 00:51:36,294 Maybe I'll wear it to my wedding. 1114 00:51:36,361 --> 00:51:38,863 Ay, ay, Edie. 1115 00:51:38,929 --> 00:51:42,867 Tonight was your play, and I missed it. 1116 00:51:42,933 --> 00:51:46,103 How do I look? 1117 00:51:46,171 --> 00:51:49,207 You look dazzling. 1118 00:51:49,274 --> 00:51:51,309 I'm sorry, honey. 1119 00:51:51,376 --> 00:51:52,777 I'm sorry I missed you. 1120 00:51:52,843 --> 00:51:55,713 What you're doing is much more important 1121 00:51:55,780 --> 00:51:57,982 than a silly old school play... 1122 00:51:58,048 --> 00:51:59,184 [ Smooches ] 1123 00:51:59,250 --> 00:52:02,320 ...even if your daughter was rather spectacular. 1124 00:52:02,387 --> 00:52:04,589 'Night. [ Chuckles ] Good night. 1125 00:52:04,655 --> 00:52:06,090 Good night, honey. 1126 00:52:06,157 --> 00:52:07,292 'Night. 1127 00:52:10,127 --> 00:52:13,030 Why didn't you remind me? 1128 00:52:13,097 --> 00:52:15,200 I did. 1129 00:52:20,305 --> 00:52:22,740 [ Indistinct talking on television ] 1130 00:52:28,446 --> 00:52:29,980 Hello, Bernie. 1131 00:52:30,047 --> 00:52:33,117 Hi. 1132 00:52:33,184 --> 00:52:35,453 How do you think you did on your s.A.T.S? 1133 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,023 I don't know. Hard to tell. 1134 00:52:39,089 --> 00:52:41,226 I'm sure you did fine. 1135 00:52:43,294 --> 00:52:45,095 Did you see Edie's play? 1136 00:52:45,162 --> 00:52:48,299 Sure. She was the best one in it. 1137 00:52:50,835 --> 00:52:51,869 Well, good night. 1138 00:52:51,936 --> 00:52:53,137 [ Cabinet door closes ] 1139 00:52:57,174 --> 00:52:58,309 Bernie... 1140 00:53:00,911 --> 00:53:02,747 ...if I owe you an apology... 1141 00:53:02,813 --> 00:53:04,682 Oh, it's no problem. 1142 00:53:04,749 --> 00:53:08,786 No. If I do, I apologize. 1143 00:53:08,853 --> 00:53:10,255 It's no big deal. 1144 00:53:12,990 --> 00:53:14,191 Bernie, what's wrong? 1145 00:53:14,259 --> 00:53:16,461 Nothing. I'm just tired. 1146 00:53:16,527 --> 00:53:17,595 Good night, mom. 1147 00:53:17,662 --> 00:53:18,629 Good night. 1148 00:53:24,535 --> 00:53:26,471 [ Indistinct talking on radio ] 1149 00:53:26,537 --> 00:53:27,938 You sure that's all it is? 1150 00:53:28,005 --> 00:53:29,139 Yeah, that's it. 1151 00:53:31,175 --> 00:53:32,843 [ Radio shuts off ] 1152 00:53:36,180 --> 00:53:38,683 You seem so angry these days. 1153 00:53:38,749 --> 00:53:40,951 Me? 1154 00:53:41,018 --> 00:53:44,289 I didn't know I had the right to be angry. 1155 00:53:44,355 --> 00:53:47,091 Would you explain that, please? 1156 00:53:47,157 --> 00:53:48,793 Well, I haven't suffered enough, have I? 1157 00:53:48,859 --> 00:53:50,628 I mean, what have I got to be angry about? 1158 00:53:51,929 --> 00:53:54,932 Who said this? I said this? 1159 00:53:54,999 --> 00:53:57,702 Anytime anybody says anything in this house. 1160 00:53:57,768 --> 00:54:00,705 Like, I don't know. Like, I'm hungry. 1161 00:54:00,771 --> 00:54:03,641 You say, "you should never know what real hunger is." 1162 00:54:03,708 --> 00:54:05,142 Like, we can't even say we're hungry 1163 00:54:05,209 --> 00:54:06,243 if we're not starving to death or something. 1164 00:54:08,212 --> 00:54:09,314 I'm sorry. 1165 00:54:09,380 --> 00:54:12,450 From now on, if you're hungry, you say so, 1166 00:54:12,517 --> 00:54:13,718 [ laughing ] And I'll keep my mouth shut. 1167 00:54:13,784 --> 00:54:15,986 See? How I feel is some kind of joke to you, 1168 00:54:16,053 --> 00:54:19,457 like it doesn't really matter. 1169 00:54:19,524 --> 00:54:21,559 Of course it matters. 1170 00:54:21,626 --> 00:54:23,794 What I'm trying to do is find out -- 1171 00:54:23,861 --> 00:54:25,262 and those talks you give. 1172 00:54:25,330 --> 00:54:27,264 Did you know kids laugh at me 1173 00:54:27,332 --> 00:54:30,134 'cause my father goes around crying about something 1174 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,937 that happened long before any of US were even born? 1175 00:54:33,003 --> 00:54:35,373 A lot of people have problems. 1176 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,808 They don't all go around advertising them. 1177 00:54:39,310 --> 00:54:43,180 Bernie, I didn't know about any of this. 1178 00:54:43,247 --> 00:54:46,116 Sure, because we've always been afraid to hurt you, 1179 00:54:46,183 --> 00:54:48,986 'cause you've been hurt enough already. 1180 00:54:49,053 --> 00:54:51,155 Anyhow, it seems like all you ever really cared about 1181 00:54:51,221 --> 00:54:54,825 is your first family -- your European family. 1182 00:54:54,892 --> 00:54:56,293 That's not true. 1183 00:54:56,361 --> 00:54:57,462 And how are we supposed to compete with them? 1184 00:54:58,763 --> 00:55:00,164 We're alive, and they're dead. 1185 00:56:06,363 --> 00:56:07,465 Dad! Dad! 1186 00:56:07,532 --> 00:56:08,733 What is it? What happened? 1187 00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:10,468 A dead pig in the driveway. 1188 00:56:10,535 --> 00:56:11,469 What? 1189 00:56:11,536 --> 00:56:12,970 A dead pig. A dead pig. 1190 00:56:13,037 --> 00:56:14,338 A dead pig? 1191 00:56:14,405 --> 00:56:15,906 Do you have any idea who could have done this? 1192 00:56:15,973 --> 00:56:17,575 I don't...Shh. Shh. 1193 00:56:17,642 --> 00:56:19,677 Any indications -- any telephone calls? 1194 00:56:19,744 --> 00:56:21,045 Any suspicions at all? 1195 00:56:21,111 --> 00:56:22,647 What the hell is this? 1196 00:56:22,713 --> 00:56:24,348 Do you have any idea who could have done this? 1197 00:56:24,415 --> 00:56:26,183 There's a lot of nuts out there. 1198 00:56:26,250 --> 00:56:27,852 Will you stop with the pictures? 1199 00:56:27,918 --> 00:56:28,986 Hide your faces. 1200 00:56:29,053 --> 00:56:30,320 Why else would somebody do this? 1201 00:56:30,387 --> 00:56:31,889 Don't take any more pictures. We've got enough of that. 1202 00:56:31,956 --> 00:56:33,390 Have there been any other acts or threats against you? 1203 00:56:33,458 --> 00:56:35,693 [ All shouting questions ] 1204 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,495 I'm asking you to do me a favor. 1205 00:56:37,562 --> 00:56:39,430 No more pictures of the kids, please. 1206 00:56:39,497 --> 00:56:41,666 ...what might happen to your children, Mrs. Mermelstein? 1207 00:56:41,732 --> 00:56:42,800 Mel: Come, come, come. 1208 00:56:42,867 --> 00:56:44,635 Of course I'm worried. Wouldn't you be? 1209 00:56:46,637 --> 00:56:50,274 [ Sighs ] 1210 00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:51,676 Woman: Do you think this has to do 1211 00:56:51,742 --> 00:56:54,011 with all the publicity you've been getting? 1212 00:57:06,423 --> 00:57:08,726 Mel: Mr. Cosgrove, I'm sorry. 1213 00:57:08,793 --> 00:57:10,995 I'm sorry. I forgot about it. 1214 00:57:11,061 --> 00:57:13,531 I forgot the order. 1215 00:57:13,598 --> 00:57:15,766 It's my mistake. It's my fault. 1216 00:57:15,833 --> 00:57:18,368 Well, can I make it up to you? 1217 00:57:18,435 --> 00:57:20,404 What can I say? 1218 00:57:20,471 --> 00:57:24,341 I'm going through some personal problems right now. 1219 00:57:24,408 --> 00:57:26,276 Let me try to make it up -- 1220 00:57:28,946 --> 00:57:30,447 okay. 1221 00:57:30,515 --> 00:57:32,282 Yeah? 1222 00:57:32,349 --> 00:57:34,084 Yeah, I understand. Yeah. 1223 00:57:34,151 --> 00:57:37,021 Okay. 1224 00:57:37,087 --> 00:57:39,890 [ Crickets chirping ] 1225 00:57:39,957 --> 00:57:42,226 We're going to have to lay off a couple of men. 1226 00:57:42,292 --> 00:57:43,327 [ Sighs ] 1227 00:57:43,393 --> 00:57:45,563 Oh, no. It's that bad? 1228 00:57:47,932 --> 00:57:49,166 Business is hurting. 1229 00:57:54,204 --> 00:57:57,307 Not just business is hurting. 1230 00:57:57,374 --> 00:57:58,643 [ Sighs ] 1231 00:58:01,178 --> 00:58:04,682 Listen, Mel... 1232 00:58:04,749 --> 00:58:05,983 When I met you, 1233 00:58:06,050 --> 00:58:08,986 I knew I was getting a man who left a piece of himself 1234 00:58:09,053 --> 00:58:11,589 with his family who died in the camps. 1235 00:58:11,656 --> 00:58:14,625 Knowing that, I married you. There were no surprises. 1236 00:58:14,692 --> 00:58:15,626 Everything was up-front, so listen, 1237 00:58:15,693 --> 00:58:17,662 if you want to go ahead 1238 00:58:17,728 --> 00:58:19,163 and keep fighting these Jew haters -- 1239 00:58:19,229 --> 00:58:20,164 wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. 1240 00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:21,265 ...i will stand -- 1241 00:58:21,331 --> 00:58:23,067 Jane, it's not what I want to do. 1242 00:58:23,133 --> 00:58:24,234 It's what I have to do. 1243 00:58:24,301 --> 00:58:25,936 Will you please let me finish, Mel? 1244 00:58:26,003 --> 00:58:28,105 I can't let these people beat me by default. 1245 00:58:28,172 --> 00:58:29,439 I wish that you would listen to me. 1246 00:58:29,506 --> 00:58:30,975 Jane, Jane, no, listen to me. Listen to me. 1247 00:58:31,041 --> 00:58:32,176 These people took me on 1248 00:58:32,242 --> 00:58:34,244 because they thought I would back down, 1249 00:58:34,311 --> 00:58:36,914 because they thought the Jew will cave in. 1250 00:58:36,981 --> 00:58:38,115 I can't quit. 1251 00:58:38,182 --> 00:58:40,851 How could anybody ask me to do that? 1252 00:58:40,918 --> 00:58:43,120 I am not asking you to quit. 1253 00:58:43,187 --> 00:58:44,288 I support you. 1254 00:58:44,354 --> 00:58:46,156 I will do anything you want, 1255 00:58:46,223 --> 00:58:48,559 but it's not just about you, Mel, 1256 00:58:48,626 --> 00:58:50,928 and it's not about me. 1257 00:58:50,995 --> 00:58:52,630 It's the kids. 1258 00:58:52,697 --> 00:58:56,400 There is nothing left of you for the kids. 1259 00:58:56,466 --> 00:58:59,169 How long do they have to put up with your pain? 1260 00:58:59,236 --> 00:59:01,572 Hmm? 1261 00:59:07,477 --> 00:59:08,879 [ Indistinct conversations ] 1262 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,322 Mel. 1263 00:59:18,388 --> 00:59:20,224 There's a date for our hearing. 1264 00:59:20,290 --> 00:59:21,926 Look at this. 1265 00:59:21,992 --> 00:59:25,262 October 9th, superior court. 1266 00:59:25,329 --> 00:59:27,497 Mel mermelstein vs. The I.H.R. 1267 00:59:27,564 --> 00:59:29,366 Huh? 1268 00:59:36,106 --> 00:59:39,109 Hey, is something wrong? 1269 00:59:39,176 --> 00:59:44,581 Yeah. [ Chuckles ] I got some turmoil at home. 1270 00:59:44,649 --> 00:59:47,151 Like you said, you know, the kids -- 1271 00:59:47,217 --> 00:59:49,519 they take the brunt of it. 1272 00:59:49,586 --> 00:59:52,089 Yeah, well, I'm sorry about that. 1273 00:59:52,156 --> 00:59:54,759 If there's anything I can do, I -- 1274 00:59:54,825 --> 00:59:58,562 tell me, bill, if everything went absolutely perfect, 1275 00:59:58,629 --> 01:00:00,831 how long would this whole thing take? 1276 01:00:00,898 --> 01:00:03,467 Four or five months. 1277 01:00:03,533 --> 01:00:05,870 Unless, you know, unless they want to stall, 1278 01:00:05,936 --> 01:00:07,571 and they'll drag it out with a bunch of suits 1279 01:00:07,638 --> 01:00:08,739 and counter suits 1280 01:00:08,806 --> 01:00:09,974 and legal papers going back and forth. 1281 01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:11,842 Then -- well, then it could take years. 1282 01:00:11,909 --> 01:00:13,644 Years? Yeah. 1283 01:00:13,711 --> 01:00:15,680 Like, uh, what's stalling? 1284 01:00:15,746 --> 01:00:17,314 Like -- like -- like when they wrote you that letter, 1285 01:00:17,381 --> 01:00:18,683 saying "we can't get to you 1286 01:00:18,749 --> 01:00:20,150 "until we finish with the wiesenthal 1287 01:00:20,217 --> 01:00:22,787 and 'the diary of Anne frank.'" 1288 01:00:22,853 --> 01:00:24,121 they're stalling. Yeah. 1289 01:00:24,188 --> 01:00:25,756 Same thing when they wrote the other letter, saying, 1290 01:00:25,823 --> 01:00:27,725 "we got to get you back in our court instead of a real court." 1291 01:00:27,792 --> 01:00:28,726 Yeah, yeah. 1292 01:00:28,793 --> 01:00:29,794 That's what it is. 1293 01:00:29,860 --> 01:00:31,628 This is impossible. 1294 01:00:31,696 --> 01:00:35,399 I can't. Uh, I can't. 1295 01:00:35,465 --> 01:00:37,534 I'm gonna have to drop this thing. 1296 01:00:39,003 --> 01:00:41,305 Drop...? What do you mean? 1297 01:00:41,371 --> 01:00:42,306 What do you mean drop the whole thing? 1298 01:00:43,841 --> 01:00:45,309 Mel, we're reaching into 1299 01:00:45,375 --> 01:00:48,045 the largest racist anti-semitic organization 1300 01:00:48,112 --> 01:00:49,279 in the country. 1301 01:00:49,346 --> 01:00:51,048 These people are -- 1302 01:00:51,115 --> 01:00:53,083 these people are connected right up into congress, 1303 01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:55,552 but their little house of cards is beginning to crumble 1304 01:00:55,619 --> 01:00:58,022 because of your lawsuit. 1305 01:00:58,088 --> 01:01:01,125 They just fired the director of the I.H.R. -- 1306 01:01:01,191 --> 01:01:03,828 the guy that sent you the letter about the $50,000. 1307 01:01:03,894 --> 01:01:04,895 We could hurt these people, Mel. 1308 01:01:04,962 --> 01:01:06,496 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 1309 01:01:07,998 --> 01:01:08,999 You're sorry? 1310 01:01:12,502 --> 01:01:14,138 We have a court date. 1311 01:01:14,204 --> 01:01:16,006 I mean, we -- we're on the calendar. 1312 01:01:16,073 --> 01:01:17,942 This is what we've been working for all this time. 1313 01:01:18,008 --> 01:01:21,345 We can -- we can expose the whole organization, Mel. 1314 01:01:21,411 --> 01:01:22,412 Don't you understand that? 1315 01:01:22,479 --> 01:01:23,748 Good, good, good. 1316 01:01:23,814 --> 01:01:24,849 Let someone else do the exposing. 1317 01:01:24,915 --> 01:01:26,016 No, this is wrong, Mel. This is wrong. 1318 01:01:26,083 --> 01:01:27,284 We both have too much invested here. 1319 01:01:27,351 --> 01:01:29,386 I've put a year into this case already. 1320 01:01:29,453 --> 01:01:30,654 I'm sorry. 1321 01:01:30,721 --> 01:01:32,122 I can't. I can't. 1322 01:01:32,189 --> 01:01:33,390 Don't you understand my family comes first? 1323 01:01:33,457 --> 01:01:37,594 I can't. I'm sorry. I can't. 1324 01:01:44,769 --> 01:01:46,436 But you can't quit now. 1325 01:01:46,503 --> 01:01:50,140 What about all that stuff you told me? 1326 01:01:53,010 --> 01:01:56,046 Let me explain something to you. 1327 01:01:56,113 --> 01:01:58,315 When I started this whole business, 1328 01:01:58,382 --> 01:02:02,853 people said to me, "don't rock the boat." 1329 01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,090 And I thought to myself, "I'm alone in the boat, 1330 01:02:06,156 --> 01:02:08,625 so what difference does it make if I rock it?" 1331 01:02:08,692 --> 01:02:10,294 And I was wrong. I made a mistake. 1332 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:15,432 I'm not alone in the boat. You're all in the boat with me. 1333 01:02:21,305 --> 01:02:22,907 I know what we have to do. 1334 01:02:22,973 --> 01:02:24,875 We have to jump in the car and go get something to eat! 1335 01:02:24,942 --> 01:02:25,976 Come on! Mel... 1336 01:02:26,043 --> 01:02:27,277 Come on, we'll go and get some food. 1337 01:02:27,344 --> 01:02:29,146 We'll get some hamburgers, some ice cream, 1338 01:02:29,213 --> 01:02:30,781 and be like a family, okay? 1339 01:02:30,848 --> 01:02:32,316 Come on. Are you happy now, Bernie? 1340 01:02:32,382 --> 01:02:33,417 About what? 1341 01:02:33,483 --> 01:02:35,219 Jane: Edie. Edie: You know. 1342 01:02:35,285 --> 01:02:36,720 Shut up, you little jerk. 1343 01:02:36,787 --> 01:02:38,789 Hey, you don't have to be so embarrassed 1344 01:02:38,856 --> 01:02:39,857 in front of your -- 1345 01:02:39,924 --> 01:02:40,858 I'm gonna slap you, Edie! Wait a minute! 1346 01:02:40,925 --> 01:02:42,159 You're ashamed of papa. 1347 01:02:42,226 --> 01:02:43,160 Just a minute. Just a minute. 1348 01:02:43,227 --> 01:02:44,895 Just a minute. 1349 01:02:44,962 --> 01:02:46,897 Edie, get your sweater. Let's go. 1350 01:02:46,964 --> 01:02:48,165 [ Telephone rings ] 1351 01:02:48,232 --> 01:02:49,900 Hello? 1352 01:02:51,635 --> 01:02:53,337 Hold on. Dad. 1353 01:02:55,439 --> 01:02:58,175 Hello. This is Mel mermelstein. 1354 01:03:02,312 --> 01:03:04,048 Is what? 1355 01:03:04,114 --> 01:03:05,950 Wait a minute, who is this?! Wait a minute! 1356 01:03:06,016 --> 01:03:08,718 Wait! 1357 01:03:08,785 --> 01:03:10,387 They set the exhibit on fire. What? 1358 01:03:10,454 --> 01:03:12,322 They started a fire at the exhibit at the shop! 1359 01:03:12,389 --> 01:03:13,623 Call the fire department! 1360 01:03:13,690 --> 01:03:15,792 What's the number? Hand me the phone. 1361 01:03:15,860 --> 01:03:17,261 [ Tires screech ] 1362 01:03:17,327 --> 01:03:19,864 Dad! Dad! 1363 01:03:19,930 --> 01:03:21,298 I'm going with you. 1364 01:03:26,003 --> 01:03:28,839 [ Horns honking ] 1365 01:03:39,216 --> 01:03:41,151 [ Police radio chatter ] 1366 01:03:44,554 --> 01:03:46,490 What happened? What happened, chief? What's going on? 1367 01:03:46,556 --> 01:03:48,525 It's all right. It's all right, Mr. Mermelstein. 1368 01:03:48,592 --> 01:03:49,559 Checked everything out. 1369 01:03:49,626 --> 01:03:50,895 Looks like it's just a false alarm. 1370 01:03:50,961 --> 01:03:52,930 Okay. Thank you. 1371 01:03:52,997 --> 01:03:55,365 Thank you very much. I appreciate it. No problem. 1372 01:03:55,432 --> 01:03:57,001 I'm gonna go check my exhibit. 1373 01:03:57,067 --> 01:03:58,235 Okay. 1374 01:03:58,302 --> 01:03:59,503 Thank you. 1375 01:04:28,698 --> 01:04:29,766 Nothing. 1376 01:04:38,075 --> 01:04:41,611 A lot's changed since the last time I was here. 1377 01:04:44,781 --> 01:04:47,317 When was that? 1378 01:04:47,384 --> 01:04:48,652 You were still in grade school. 1379 01:04:48,718 --> 01:04:50,554 Dad... Yeah? 1380 01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:52,990 Whoever called, maybe it was just to get you out of the house. 1381 01:05:00,630 --> 01:05:03,567 [ Telephone rings ] 1382 01:05:08,538 --> 01:05:10,607 Jane: Somebody get that, quick! 1383 01:05:12,742 --> 01:05:13,877 Mel? 1384 01:05:13,944 --> 01:05:16,113 Darling, is everything all right? 1385 01:05:16,180 --> 01:05:18,448 Of course it is. What happened there? 1386 01:05:18,515 --> 01:05:22,352 Nothing. Absolutely nothing. 1387 01:05:22,419 --> 01:05:24,488 Oh, thank heavens. 1388 01:05:24,554 --> 01:05:26,423 It's all right. 1389 01:05:26,490 --> 01:05:27,958 I don't know. 1390 01:05:28,025 --> 01:05:29,994 Maybe with all this stuff in the newspapers, 1391 01:05:30,060 --> 01:05:31,728 somebody's trying to harass me. 1392 01:05:31,795 --> 01:05:34,131 Are you harassed? 1393 01:05:34,198 --> 01:05:35,199 [ Chuckles ] 1394 01:05:35,265 --> 01:05:36,800 Isn't it the truth. 1395 01:05:36,866 --> 01:05:39,636 I'm a little harassed. I admit it. 1396 01:05:39,703 --> 01:05:41,638 It wasn't the I.H.R., do you think? 1397 01:05:41,705 --> 01:05:43,407 I don't know. We'll never know. 1398 01:05:43,473 --> 01:05:45,709 Well, please, just be careful, all right, honey? 1399 01:05:45,775 --> 01:05:48,012 All right. Listen, please. 1400 01:05:48,078 --> 01:05:50,347 Make sure everything is locked up, all right? 1401 01:05:50,414 --> 01:05:52,316 Okay, okay. Bye. 1402 01:05:52,382 --> 01:05:53,717 See you soon. 1403 01:06:02,092 --> 01:06:03,260 Bernie: It's terrible to think 1404 01:06:03,327 --> 01:06:05,162 you'd even have to worry about something like that. 1405 01:06:07,697 --> 01:06:08,698 [ Groans ] 1406 01:06:18,208 --> 01:06:20,210 That's you, isn't it, dad? 1407 01:06:20,277 --> 01:06:22,479 Yeah. 1408 01:06:24,748 --> 01:06:26,783 Dad? 1409 01:06:26,850 --> 01:06:30,120 What Edie said about me being ashamed of you, 1410 01:06:30,187 --> 01:06:32,222 it's not true. 1411 01:06:34,958 --> 01:06:36,960 I never thought it was. 1412 01:06:39,329 --> 01:06:42,499 It's just that... 1413 01:06:42,566 --> 01:06:45,335 Well, I don't know. 1414 01:06:45,402 --> 01:06:47,003 I could just never stand to hear 1415 01:06:47,071 --> 01:06:49,506 about all that terrible suffering you went through. 1416 01:06:52,109 --> 01:06:54,978 Did you know I could never even look at your tattoo 1417 01:06:55,045 --> 01:06:56,380 when I was a little kid? 1418 01:06:56,446 --> 01:06:59,549 It made me sick. 1419 01:06:59,616 --> 01:07:01,885 You'd hug me, and I'd squirm out of there 1420 01:07:01,951 --> 01:07:04,121 because I couldn't be near that tattoo. 1421 01:07:04,188 --> 01:07:08,358 I was afraid it would rub off on me somehow. 1422 01:07:08,425 --> 01:07:11,995 I wasn't ashamed of you. 1423 01:07:12,062 --> 01:07:14,064 I was ashamed of me. 1424 01:07:15,699 --> 01:07:18,535 I was scared, so I just cut out -- 1425 01:07:18,602 --> 01:07:20,470 Bernie, you don't have to discuss -- 1426 01:07:20,537 --> 01:07:21,771 no, let me finish. 1427 01:07:21,838 --> 01:07:24,174 I mean, it's been hard enough to get started. 1428 01:07:24,241 --> 01:07:26,376 Look at all this. It's unbelievable. 1429 01:07:31,448 --> 01:07:34,151 It's not only your family that was murdered, you know. 1430 01:07:34,218 --> 01:07:39,689 It's my grandfather... My grandmother... 1431 01:07:39,756 --> 01:07:42,392 My aunts, my uncles. 1432 01:07:44,728 --> 01:07:46,696 Where the hell are they, right? 1433 01:07:46,763 --> 01:07:50,600 These guys say the holocaust never took place. 1434 01:07:52,936 --> 01:07:54,971 Where's my family, papa? 1435 01:07:57,006 --> 01:07:59,909 Where? 1436 01:08:02,779 --> 01:08:04,781 You can't quit this case. 1437 01:08:08,585 --> 01:08:10,387 Please. 1438 01:08:13,590 --> 01:08:15,759 Fusilier: Well, I guess we're all here. 1439 01:08:15,825 --> 01:08:16,960 We're all ready. 1440 01:08:17,026 --> 01:08:18,628 May we go on record, Mr. Cox? 1441 01:08:18,695 --> 01:08:19,729 Bill: Yeah, sure. 1442 01:08:19,796 --> 01:08:21,298 Mr. Mermelstein, 1443 01:08:21,365 --> 01:08:22,299 you are the plaintiff in this matter, are you not? 1444 01:08:22,366 --> 01:08:23,600 Mel: Yes. 1445 01:08:23,667 --> 01:08:25,202 Uh, excuse me. I was wondering 1446 01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:28,172 what Mr. Marcellus' purpose for being here is. 1447 01:08:28,238 --> 01:08:31,375 You deposed him, and he is a director of the institute. 1448 01:08:31,441 --> 01:08:33,610 The institute is a named defendant. 1449 01:08:33,677 --> 01:08:36,413 I am being retained by the institute now, okay? 1450 01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:38,047 All right. Is that okay? 1451 01:08:38,114 --> 01:08:40,884 Has your attorney explained to you, Mr. Mermelstein, 1452 01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:43,720 that in a deposition, you are under oath... 1453 01:08:43,787 --> 01:08:44,821 Mel: Of course. 1454 01:08:44,888 --> 01:08:46,490 ...as though you were in court? 1455 01:08:46,556 --> 01:08:48,124 Of course. 1456 01:08:48,192 --> 01:08:51,895 Now, Mr. Mermelstein, you claim that in 1944, 1457 01:08:51,961 --> 01:08:55,031 you and your family, your father, your mother, 1458 01:08:55,098 --> 01:08:57,234 your brother, and two sisters 1459 01:08:57,301 --> 01:09:00,804 were rounded up, together, with others from your village. 1460 01:09:00,870 --> 01:09:02,506 You were placed in boxcars 1461 01:09:02,572 --> 01:09:05,041 and transported to the camp known as Auschwitz-birkenau. 1462 01:09:05,108 --> 01:09:06,743 Is that correct? That's correct. 1463 01:09:06,810 --> 01:09:10,880 Your community was anti-German. Is that correct? 1464 01:09:10,947 --> 01:09:14,984 No. My family was an ordinary Jewish family. 1465 01:09:15,051 --> 01:09:17,854 Did your family use any means 1466 01:09:17,921 --> 01:09:20,056 to keep you from getting picked up? 1467 01:09:20,123 --> 01:09:23,560 We fought for our survival is what we did. 1468 01:09:23,627 --> 01:09:25,094 How did you do that? 1469 01:09:25,161 --> 01:09:26,530 We fought. 1470 01:09:26,596 --> 01:09:29,165 You hide when they come to knock out your windows 1471 01:09:29,233 --> 01:09:30,667 or drag you out of your home 1472 01:09:30,734 --> 01:09:32,402 to beat your brothers and sisters. 1473 01:09:32,469 --> 01:09:34,904 You had some problems. 1474 01:09:37,474 --> 01:09:39,709 If you call it "problems," 1475 01:09:39,776 --> 01:09:42,145 you don't know the history of that period. 1476 01:09:49,219 --> 01:09:51,255 Were you ever arrested 1477 01:09:51,321 --> 01:09:55,024 from September 1939 through January 1944? 1478 01:09:55,091 --> 01:09:57,761 No. We were not criminals. 1479 01:09:57,827 --> 01:09:58,995 We were not arrested. 1480 01:09:59,062 --> 01:10:00,630 We were not accused of any crimes. 1481 01:10:00,697 --> 01:10:02,632 They rounded up Jews. 1482 01:10:02,699 --> 01:10:04,901 You were not involved in any black market? 1483 01:10:04,968 --> 01:10:05,902 No. 1484 01:10:05,969 --> 01:10:07,871 You were not communists? No. 1485 01:10:07,937 --> 01:10:10,574 So, you claim that you and your family were rounded up 1486 01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,309 for the mere fact that you were Jewish? 1487 01:10:12,376 --> 01:10:13,410 Nothing else. 1488 01:10:13,477 --> 01:10:14,744 May I inquire 1489 01:10:14,811 --> 01:10:17,947 if Mr. Marcellus is tape-recording this? 1490 01:10:18,014 --> 01:10:19,583 Is there any objection to this? 1491 01:10:19,649 --> 01:10:21,084 Do you have a tape recorder? 1492 01:10:23,119 --> 01:10:24,187 I wish to have that tape. 1493 01:10:24,254 --> 01:10:25,555 Hold it, Mel. 1494 01:10:25,622 --> 01:10:27,056 If you had asked my permission in the first place, 1495 01:10:27,123 --> 01:10:28,792 I would have said, "all right. Go ahead." 1496 01:10:28,858 --> 01:10:30,327 There's such a thing as a gentlemen's agreement. 1497 01:10:30,394 --> 01:10:32,262 But you don't simply have a tape recorder 1498 01:10:32,329 --> 01:10:33,363 hidden in your pocket -- 1499 01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:34,564 not unless I know that you did. 1500 01:10:34,631 --> 01:10:35,732 It's all right. 1501 01:10:35,799 --> 01:10:37,434 We are not gonna be taping... 1502 01:10:37,501 --> 01:10:38,868 [ Tape recorder clicks ] 1503 01:10:38,935 --> 01:10:42,171 ...anything from here on out, okay? 1504 01:10:42,238 --> 01:10:44,508 To continue. 1505 01:10:44,574 --> 01:10:47,511 You had been Jewish from the time of your birth. 1506 01:10:47,577 --> 01:10:50,280 Of course. 1507 01:10:50,347 --> 01:10:51,681 You were proud of it. 1508 01:10:51,748 --> 01:10:54,851 No, no. I don't believe in the term "proud." 1509 01:10:54,918 --> 01:10:56,553 It's a factual thing. 1510 01:10:56,620 --> 01:10:58,522 I would be the same person 1511 01:10:58,588 --> 01:11:01,758 if I was a catholic or a protestant or islam. 1512 01:11:01,825 --> 01:11:03,493 Very good. 1513 01:11:08,898 --> 01:11:10,467 Mr. Mermelstein, do you believe 1514 01:11:10,534 --> 01:11:13,202 that you have entered into contract with the defendants -- 1515 01:11:13,269 --> 01:11:14,438 with my clients 1516 01:11:14,504 --> 01:11:16,573 at the institute for historical review? 1517 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,742 Yes, sure do. 1518 01:11:18,808 --> 01:11:20,744 And how did they initiate it? 1519 01:11:20,810 --> 01:11:22,379 By sending me a letter, 1520 01:11:22,446 --> 01:11:25,148 stating that they had a $50,000 reward 1521 01:11:25,214 --> 01:11:26,983 for anybody who could prove 1522 01:11:27,050 --> 01:11:28,785 that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz 1523 01:11:28,852 --> 01:11:32,856 so that you, meaning me, Mel mermelstein, specifically, 1524 01:11:32,922 --> 01:11:34,157 could apply. 1525 01:11:34,223 --> 01:11:36,426 So, you filled out the application, 1526 01:11:36,493 --> 01:11:37,427 and you took up the challenge. 1527 01:11:37,494 --> 01:11:38,862 That's correct. 1528 01:11:38,928 --> 01:11:41,264 And you believe that you can fully comply 1529 01:11:41,331 --> 01:11:43,533 with the requirements of proof. 1530 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,202 Yes. And prove -- 1531 01:11:46,269 --> 01:11:47,471 I don't care about your money. 1532 01:11:47,537 --> 01:11:49,473 I care about the memory of people who died. 1533 01:11:49,539 --> 01:11:51,107 Yes. 1534 01:11:51,174 --> 01:11:54,678 You can prove very easily that there were gassings. 1535 01:11:54,744 --> 01:11:55,979 Is that right? 1536 01:11:56,045 --> 01:11:59,649 My father and my brother were worked to death, 1537 01:11:59,716 --> 01:12:01,485 and I can prove to you 1538 01:12:01,551 --> 01:12:03,086 that my mother and my sisters 1539 01:12:03,152 --> 01:12:05,088 were gassed at Auschwitz-birkenau. 1540 01:12:05,154 --> 01:12:07,691 I saw them going in the gas chamber, 1541 01:12:07,757 --> 01:12:10,259 but I didn't see them coming out. 1542 01:12:12,596 --> 01:12:14,664 So, the only people you ever saw gassed 1543 01:12:14,731 --> 01:12:16,132 were your mother and sisters. 1544 01:12:19,769 --> 01:12:22,872 My grandfathers, my aunts, my uncles. 1545 01:12:22,939 --> 01:12:25,542 You mean your entire family was with you? 1546 01:12:25,609 --> 01:12:28,745 My immediate family all arrived in the same boxcar, 1547 01:12:28,812 --> 01:12:31,648 and my ears are still, to this day, hurting 1548 01:12:31,715 --> 01:12:33,983 from the cries of men, women, little children, 1549 01:12:34,050 --> 01:12:36,219 crying for help -- babies carried by their mothers. 1550 01:12:36,285 --> 01:12:37,721 That's how we arrived. 1551 01:12:37,787 --> 01:12:40,724 And my mother and my sisters were gassed the day after. 1552 01:12:44,828 --> 01:12:47,531 Mr. Mermelstein, let me ask you this. 1553 01:12:47,597 --> 01:12:49,466 Were you ever an eyewitness 1554 01:12:49,533 --> 01:12:54,704 to any gassing operations at Auschwitz-birkenau 1555 01:12:54,771 --> 01:12:59,609 from may 1944 to July 1944? 1556 01:12:59,676 --> 01:13:02,446 These very two eyes have seen men, women, 1557 01:13:02,512 --> 01:13:04,948 little children lured, drawn into gas chambers. 1558 01:13:05,014 --> 01:13:06,583 What do you mean by "lured"? 1559 01:13:06,650 --> 01:13:07,784 Lured. 1560 01:13:07,851 --> 01:13:10,420 They were told they were gonna be taking showers. 1561 01:13:10,487 --> 01:13:11,721 Did you hear anybody say 1562 01:13:11,788 --> 01:13:13,790 you were going to be taking a shower? 1563 01:13:13,857 --> 01:13:15,158 Yes, yes. I was told. 1564 01:13:15,224 --> 01:13:16,726 Did you take a shower? 1565 01:13:16,793 --> 01:13:19,963 I'm not one who returned from the dead. 1566 01:13:20,029 --> 01:13:21,465 You cannot tell me 1567 01:13:21,531 --> 01:13:24,701 any details about gassings at Auschwitz. 1568 01:13:24,768 --> 01:13:26,069 You do not know. 1569 01:13:26,135 --> 01:13:28,337 You were not in the position to know that. 1570 01:13:28,404 --> 01:13:31,274 You don't want me to tell you that I was in the gas chamber 1571 01:13:31,340 --> 01:13:32,876 with a group who were gassed. 1572 01:13:32,942 --> 01:13:34,177 I was not gassed. 1573 01:13:34,243 --> 01:13:35,879 That's why I'm here today and they're not. 1574 01:13:35,945 --> 01:13:37,547 Anybody who was inside the gas chamber 1575 01:13:37,614 --> 01:13:39,849 couldn't be alive today to talk about it, could he? 1576 01:13:42,151 --> 01:13:44,287 Now, Mr. Mermelstein, you assert 1577 01:13:44,353 --> 01:13:46,756 that when these people went in there, 1578 01:13:46,823 --> 01:13:48,091 into these chambers, 1579 01:13:48,157 --> 01:13:52,295 someone gassed them by putting gas in there, 1580 01:13:52,361 --> 01:13:54,764 and that would cause death to the people who went in there? 1581 01:13:54,831 --> 01:13:56,866 Yes. Sure do. 1582 01:13:56,933 --> 01:13:59,368 And you do not know how that was done, do you? 1583 01:13:59,435 --> 01:14:01,905 I know how it was done. 1584 01:14:01,971 --> 01:14:05,241 They put crystals in through a hole -- a manhole, 1585 01:14:05,308 --> 01:14:06,242 whatever. 1586 01:14:06,309 --> 01:14:07,577 Is that zyklon? 1587 01:14:07,644 --> 01:14:09,178 Zyklon "b." 1588 01:14:09,245 --> 01:14:11,548 Was zyklon "b" used 1589 01:14:11,615 --> 01:14:16,419 for any other purpose besides...Extermination? 1590 01:14:16,486 --> 01:14:20,256 I don't know. No. 1591 01:14:20,323 --> 01:14:21,925 Have you ever heard of it being used for delousing? 1592 01:14:21,991 --> 01:14:23,226 No. 1593 01:14:23,292 --> 01:14:27,497 Uh, in buchenwald, Mr. Mermelstein, 1594 01:14:27,564 --> 01:14:30,967 was there a [blows] typhus epidemic going on? 1595 01:14:31,034 --> 01:14:33,870 I don't know about an epidemic, but I had typhus. 1596 01:14:33,937 --> 01:14:36,640 Typhus is brought on by lice. Is that right? 1597 01:14:36,706 --> 01:14:38,542 That's correct. 1598 01:14:38,608 --> 01:14:40,510 And there were many who died. 1599 01:14:40,577 --> 01:14:41,778 I slept among the dead. 1600 01:14:41,845 --> 01:14:44,480 What did they die from? 1601 01:14:44,548 --> 01:14:46,282 Everything -- starvation, typhus. 1602 01:14:46,349 --> 01:14:47,450 Everything. 1603 01:14:47,517 --> 01:14:50,486 You had your hair shaved? 1604 01:14:50,554 --> 01:14:52,088 Well, they had to keep down the lice. 1605 01:14:52,155 --> 01:14:53,389 You were dipped in a solution? 1606 01:14:53,456 --> 01:14:55,358 Yes, before you went in the shower. 1607 01:14:55,424 --> 01:14:56,560 [ Laughs ] Ho! 1608 01:14:56,626 --> 01:14:58,327 You did take a shower. 1609 01:14:58,394 --> 01:15:00,964 Yes, but it was for delousing. 1610 01:15:05,468 --> 01:15:10,439 We know that the German army ate good food, did it not? 1611 01:15:10,506 --> 01:15:13,910 If you say so. I was not in the army. 1612 01:15:13,977 --> 01:15:16,713 Well, for example, in this country, see, 1613 01:15:16,780 --> 01:15:18,114 first troops get the food, 1614 01:15:18,181 --> 01:15:20,283 then the war prisoners get the food. 1615 01:15:20,349 --> 01:15:21,851 Does that sound reasonable? 1616 01:15:21,918 --> 01:15:23,152 We were not war prisoners. 1617 01:15:23,219 --> 01:15:26,122 And then the women and the kids in the population 1618 01:15:26,189 --> 01:15:28,091 get the food thereafter, right? 1619 01:15:28,157 --> 01:15:31,394 You were the last people on the totem pole. 1620 01:15:31,460 --> 01:15:32,996 They gave you the leftovers. 1621 01:15:33,062 --> 01:15:34,097 Is that not right? 1622 01:15:34,163 --> 01:15:36,132 They didn't give US anything. 1623 01:15:36,199 --> 01:15:40,469 And that seemed like they wanted to exterminate you? 1624 01:15:40,536 --> 01:15:41,705 Not seemed. 1625 01:15:41,771 --> 01:15:43,339 You're looking at the sole survivor 1626 01:15:43,406 --> 01:15:44,440 of my entire family. 1627 01:15:44,507 --> 01:15:46,075 This is not a laughing matter. 1628 01:15:46,142 --> 01:15:47,243 Well, I did not mean to be facetious, 1629 01:15:47,310 --> 01:15:50,479 but you were not getting lox and cream cheese. 1630 01:15:50,546 --> 01:15:52,148 Bill: Wait, wait, wait. Excuse me. 1631 01:15:52,215 --> 01:15:55,351 I'm gonna ask my client to walk right out of here 1632 01:15:55,418 --> 01:15:57,386 if the tenor of this deposition continues. 1633 01:15:57,453 --> 01:15:58,755 What tenor are you talking about? 1634 01:15:58,822 --> 01:16:01,357 I want the record to reflect that Mr. Fusilier 1635 01:16:01,424 --> 01:16:02,892 was laughing about some of these questions. 1636 01:16:02,959 --> 01:16:04,828 Oh, please. I think Mr. Mermelstein 1637 01:16:04,894 --> 01:16:06,395 understands that I am not laughing. 1638 01:16:06,462 --> 01:16:07,964 Now, what took place in those death camps 1639 01:16:08,031 --> 01:16:11,367 is a very serious matter to Mr. Mermelstein 1640 01:16:11,434 --> 01:16:12,802 and to millions of others! 1641 01:16:12,869 --> 01:16:14,070 We were not there. 1642 01:16:14,137 --> 01:16:16,105 And it is not that serious. 1643 01:16:16,172 --> 01:16:18,507 We are not in mourning here, and I have not laughed. 1644 01:16:18,574 --> 01:16:20,043 Mr. Mermelstein, do you think that I am laughing at you? 1645 01:16:20,109 --> 01:16:23,579 You have been laughing, Mr. Fusilier. 1646 01:16:25,214 --> 01:16:29,252 I'm sorry to pursue this, sir, but we're almost done here. 1647 01:16:29,318 --> 01:16:32,121 You have said that in Auschwitz-birkenau, 1648 01:16:32,188 --> 01:16:33,256 you saw people, 1649 01:16:33,322 --> 01:16:36,359 including your mother and sisters, 1650 01:16:36,425 --> 01:16:38,561 go into a chamber. 1651 01:16:38,628 --> 01:16:41,530 [ Wearily ] Yes. 1652 01:16:41,597 --> 01:16:45,201 There were gas chambers disguised as shower rooms. 1653 01:16:45,268 --> 01:16:46,535 That's correct. 1654 01:16:46,602 --> 01:16:49,706 On may 22, 1944. 1655 01:16:49,773 --> 01:16:54,010 To be exact, it was the morning of the 22nd. 1656 01:16:54,077 --> 01:16:57,914 I saw this with my own eyes. 1657 01:16:59,382 --> 01:17:00,784 They went in. 1658 01:17:00,850 --> 01:17:04,053 [ Sniffles, sobs ] 1659 01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,122 [ Voice breaking ] They went in. 1660 01:17:08,157 --> 01:17:10,727 And I looked at the other end 1661 01:17:10,794 --> 01:17:15,732 to see if people were coming out, and there... 1662 01:17:15,799 --> 01:17:18,467 There were no windows? 1663 01:17:18,534 --> 01:17:20,436 No. 1664 01:17:20,503 --> 01:17:22,538 You could not see in? 1665 01:17:22,605 --> 01:17:24,808 No! 1666 01:17:24,874 --> 01:17:26,375 Was there a back door? 1667 01:17:28,044 --> 01:17:33,750 There was a -- a front door and a -- and a back door. 1668 01:17:33,817 --> 01:17:35,151 Yes. 1669 01:17:35,218 --> 01:17:38,054 So, you watch your mother and sisters enter, 1670 01:17:38,121 --> 01:17:40,690 and you're watching the back door. 1671 01:17:42,892 --> 01:17:47,563 And they never come out. 1672 01:17:47,630 --> 01:17:49,332 Could you see the back door? 1673 01:17:54,570 --> 01:17:58,041 [ Sniffles ] No. 1674 01:17:58,107 --> 01:17:59,776 Was there a stairway coming out in the back? 1675 01:17:59,843 --> 01:18:00,877 No. 1676 01:18:00,944 --> 01:18:02,411 There was no back door there? 1677 01:18:02,478 --> 01:18:03,612 No. 1678 01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:05,849 But you just said you watched the back. 1679 01:18:07,516 --> 01:18:10,686 Was that a wrong expression you used? 1680 01:18:13,656 --> 01:18:17,961 Do you know whether or not bodies can be burned in pits? 1681 01:18:18,027 --> 01:18:19,495 Sure. 1682 01:18:19,562 --> 01:18:21,464 Do you know how long it takes to burn a body? 1683 01:18:21,530 --> 01:18:22,866 No! 1684 01:18:22,932 --> 01:18:24,433 Do you know whether or not himmler gave orders 1685 01:18:24,500 --> 01:18:25,434 concerning corporeal punishment of inmates? 1686 01:18:25,501 --> 01:18:27,203 No! 1687 01:18:27,270 --> 01:18:29,939 Now you're answering the questions correctly, 1688 01:18:30,006 --> 01:18:31,007 Mr. Mermelstein. 1689 01:18:32,341 --> 01:18:33,943 Do you know the location -- 1690 01:18:34,010 --> 01:18:35,979 the conclusion by the German Auschwitz trial, 1691 01:18:36,045 --> 01:18:37,814 of any of the crematories one through four? 1692 01:18:39,883 --> 01:18:41,417 Other than what you have said 1693 01:18:41,484 --> 01:18:43,219 about your mother and two sisters, 1694 01:18:43,286 --> 01:18:44,788 do you know the name of any person 1695 01:18:44,854 --> 01:18:46,422 that was gassed within the confines 1696 01:18:46,489 --> 01:18:49,492 of any German concentration camp? 1697 01:18:49,558 --> 01:18:51,027 You do not know any of the names? 1698 01:18:51,094 --> 01:18:52,495 Bill: There were many other names. 1699 01:18:52,561 --> 01:18:54,297 The question was asked and answered three hours ago. 1700 01:18:54,363 --> 01:18:57,166 Do you know the names and addresses 1701 01:18:57,233 --> 01:18:59,402 [laughing] Of any other witnesses? 1702 01:19:00,770 --> 01:19:02,171 [ Piano plays ] 1703 01:19:02,238 --> 01:19:04,007 [ Speaks indistinctly ] 1704 01:19:04,073 --> 01:19:05,708 No. You're gonna mess it up again. 1705 01:19:05,775 --> 01:19:07,777 Oh, please. I won't mess it up. 1706 01:19:07,844 --> 01:19:10,046 Yeah, you will. No, I won't. 1707 01:19:10,113 --> 01:19:13,282 Yes, you will. Hey, Edie. 1708 01:19:13,349 --> 01:19:17,253 [ Piano music continues ] 1709 01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:18,287 Mel! 1710 01:19:23,827 --> 01:19:25,028 Papa. 1711 01:19:28,131 --> 01:19:29,732 Are you all right? 1712 01:19:29,799 --> 01:19:30,834 Dad, how was it? 1713 01:19:30,900 --> 01:19:33,069 [ Clears throat ] 1714 01:19:33,136 --> 01:19:34,938 Get your father a glass of water. 1715 01:19:35,004 --> 01:19:38,641 What is it, Mel? A cold? 1716 01:19:38,707 --> 01:19:39,809 Trouble with my voice. 1717 01:19:41,244 --> 01:19:42,411 You should sit down, dad. 1718 01:19:42,478 --> 01:19:44,547 Yeah. All right. 1719 01:19:44,613 --> 01:19:45,548 Yeah. 1720 01:19:45,614 --> 01:19:46,983 Mel, w-what happened? 1721 01:19:49,152 --> 01:19:52,055 Thanks. 1722 01:19:52,121 --> 01:19:54,223 Was it so terrible? 1723 01:19:54,290 --> 01:19:57,593 Oh... 1724 01:19:57,660 --> 01:19:58,895 I'll tell you something. 1725 01:20:02,031 --> 01:20:03,799 They could all be right. 1726 01:20:03,867 --> 01:20:07,803 I could make a mistake, Cox could make a mistake, 1727 01:20:07,871 --> 01:20:10,573 the judge could say anything. 1728 01:20:10,639 --> 01:20:11,841 Mel. 1729 01:20:11,908 --> 01:20:14,377 I realized today 1730 01:20:14,443 --> 01:20:16,745 while I was answering the questions, 1731 01:20:16,812 --> 01:20:20,383 we could lose. 1732 01:20:20,449 --> 01:20:22,418 We could lose. 1733 01:20:22,485 --> 01:20:23,719 We could lose the case. 1734 01:20:26,923 --> 01:20:29,092 Man: Can we please just get one picture of your family? 1735 01:20:29,158 --> 01:20:30,093 Please? 1736 01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:33,762 [ All shouting questions ] 1737 01:20:33,829 --> 01:20:35,198 Judge: We will now proceed with the case 1738 01:20:35,264 --> 01:20:38,101 of mermelstein vs. The institute for historical review. 1739 01:20:38,167 --> 01:20:39,735 Please state your appearances. 1740 01:20:39,802 --> 01:20:41,938 William Cox, appearing on behalf 1741 01:20:42,005 --> 01:20:44,240 of the plaintiff, Mel mermelstein. 1742 01:20:44,307 --> 01:20:45,875 Richard fusilier, 1743 01:20:45,942 --> 01:20:48,577 for defendants, the institute for historical review. 1744 01:20:51,380 --> 01:20:54,517 The court has before it this morning a number of motions. 1745 01:20:54,583 --> 01:20:58,354 The court has read and considered all the documents 1746 01:20:58,421 --> 01:21:02,425 that you all have submitted with regard to those motions. 1747 01:21:02,491 --> 01:21:03,893 Now let US proceed. 1748 01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,695 I will be interested in hearing argument from you all 1749 01:21:06,762 --> 01:21:08,932 with respect to the plaintiff's request 1750 01:21:08,998 --> 01:21:11,200 that judicial notice be taken of the fact 1751 01:21:11,267 --> 01:21:13,302 that Jews were gassed to death 1752 01:21:13,369 --> 01:21:19,008 in Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland in the summer of 1944. 1753 01:21:19,075 --> 01:21:20,609 I would like to hear argument with respect 1754 01:21:20,676 --> 01:21:25,814 to evidence code 451(H), 451(F), among other points. 1755 01:21:25,881 --> 01:21:27,283 Now, another fact 1756 01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:28,918 that I think that should be considered at this point 1757 01:21:28,985 --> 01:21:32,188 is that whether the request for the taking of judicial notice 1758 01:21:32,255 --> 01:21:36,592 is a fact that is truly relevant to the central dispute. 1759 01:21:36,659 --> 01:21:39,996 Do you wish to be heard on your request for judicial notice? 1760 01:21:40,063 --> 01:21:42,731 Yes, your honor, I do. 1761 01:21:42,798 --> 01:21:46,302 This is precisely the kind of case 1762 01:21:46,369 --> 01:21:50,173 where it is incumbent upon the court to take judicial notice. 1763 01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:54,810 Your honor, this is not simply a case of breach of contract. 1764 01:21:54,877 --> 01:21:57,913 There's more here than that -- much more. 1765 01:21:57,981 --> 01:22:03,752 Since world war ii, in every trial concerning this matter -- 1766 01:22:03,819 --> 01:22:07,690 the nuremberg trial, the Auschwitz trial, 1767 01:22:07,756 --> 01:22:10,693 the trial of Adolf eichmann in Israel -- 1768 01:22:10,759 --> 01:22:13,829 never once was there a denial of the fact 1769 01:22:13,896 --> 01:22:16,832 that there was an extermination program 1770 01:22:16,899 --> 01:22:20,269 and that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz. 1771 01:22:20,336 --> 01:22:24,340 We say that the I.H.R. -- The defendant here -- 1772 01:22:24,407 --> 01:22:27,643 has taken a fact of history and twisted it 1773 01:22:27,710 --> 01:22:31,580 so as to create a great lie. 1774 01:22:31,647 --> 01:22:34,683 We say that we are here today 1775 01:22:34,750 --> 01:22:37,586 because this is a matter of grave concern, 1776 01:22:37,653 --> 01:22:40,323 not only to Mr. Mermelstein, 1777 01:22:40,389 --> 01:22:42,658 but to the thousands of survivors 1778 01:22:42,725 --> 01:22:45,494 and to the people of this community. 1779 01:22:45,561 --> 01:22:48,064 This is a matter of recognizing history. 1780 01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:55,271 Fusilier: Pardon me, what history says 1781 01:22:55,338 --> 01:22:58,574 and what the facts are may not be the same. 1782 01:22:58,641 --> 01:23:00,743 Napoleon said, 1783 01:23:00,809 --> 01:23:05,281 "what is history but a fable agreed upon?" 1784 01:23:05,348 --> 01:23:07,750 What is at issue here in this dispute? 1785 01:23:07,816 --> 01:23:11,087 The crux of the situation is my clients, the defendant, 1786 01:23:11,154 --> 01:23:13,256 wanted somebody to offer proof. 1787 01:23:13,322 --> 01:23:16,025 The issue is whether Mr. Mermelstein 1788 01:23:16,092 --> 01:23:19,162 can prove what he claims to be true. 1789 01:23:19,228 --> 01:23:24,433 The dispute is whether there was a holocaust. 1790 01:23:24,500 --> 01:23:27,670 If Jews were gassed at Auschwitz is what must be proved, 1791 01:23:27,736 --> 01:23:29,905 and it has certainly not been proved 1792 01:23:29,972 --> 01:23:32,141 in this courtroom up to this point. 1793 01:23:32,208 --> 01:23:33,642 [ Spectators murmur ] 1794 01:23:33,709 --> 01:23:36,079 [ Gavel taps ] 1795 01:23:36,145 --> 01:23:38,781 Your honor, we have here 1796 01:23:38,847 --> 01:23:44,019 someone who has tried very hard to deal with this. 1797 01:23:44,087 --> 01:23:48,157 He has tried as best he could to deal with this 1798 01:23:48,224 --> 01:23:51,026 in a psychologically healthy way, 1799 01:23:51,094 --> 01:23:53,496 and, in fact, he has done that. 1800 01:23:53,562 --> 01:23:56,165 He has built a small, successful business, 1801 01:23:56,232 --> 01:23:59,635 he has married, he has had children. 1802 01:23:59,702 --> 01:24:02,205 He's done well in life. 1803 01:24:02,271 --> 01:24:03,772 And then along comes this steamroller 1804 01:24:03,839 --> 01:24:05,374 and says, "no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 1805 01:24:05,441 --> 01:24:08,977 "Your mother and your two sisters did not die. 1806 01:24:09,044 --> 01:24:12,281 "Your father and your brother -- 1807 01:24:12,348 --> 01:24:15,318 they're probably all living in Russia somewhere," 1808 01:24:15,384 --> 01:24:18,854 according to Mr. Brandon, are under assumed names in Israel. 1809 01:24:18,921 --> 01:24:24,127 Well, your honor, if it's true that those people did escape... 1810 01:24:26,061 --> 01:24:27,963 ...where -- where are the children? 1811 01:24:30,099 --> 01:24:31,700 A whole generation. 1812 01:24:33,969 --> 01:24:35,171 Where are the babies? 1813 01:24:35,238 --> 01:24:39,108 Where are the babies? 1814 01:24:39,175 --> 01:24:40,776 They were put to death. 1815 01:24:40,843 --> 01:24:42,178 That's entrapment. 1816 01:24:42,245 --> 01:24:43,712 I object. 1817 01:24:43,779 --> 01:24:45,214 Excuse me, your honor, 1818 01:24:45,281 --> 01:24:47,750 the contract calls for Mr. Mermelstein 1819 01:24:47,816 --> 01:24:50,553 to prove that the holocaust took place. 1820 01:24:50,619 --> 01:24:52,221 I don't see the issue -- 1821 01:24:52,288 --> 01:24:54,223 your honor, what occurs here will be widely seen, 1822 01:24:54,290 --> 01:24:57,826 widely reported, and will have a serious effect 1823 01:24:57,893 --> 01:24:59,228 on millions of people. 1824 01:24:59,295 --> 01:25:00,729 There's more at stake here 1825 01:25:00,796 --> 01:25:03,366 than Mr. Fusilier and his client's contract. 1826 01:25:09,905 --> 01:25:11,807 Objection is overruled. 1827 01:25:11,874 --> 01:25:13,976 [ Spectators murmur ] 1828 01:25:21,850 --> 01:25:24,953 Your honor, I'd like the court's permission 1829 01:25:25,020 --> 01:25:27,323 to have Mr. Mermelstein take the stand. 1830 01:25:27,390 --> 01:25:28,424 Judge: Very well. 1831 01:25:38,901 --> 01:25:40,903 Man: Raise your right hand. 1832 01:25:40,969 --> 01:25:44,039 Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you're about to give 1833 01:25:44,106 --> 01:25:45,641 is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, 1834 01:25:45,708 --> 01:25:46,642 so help you god? 1835 01:25:46,709 --> 01:25:47,643 I do. 1836 01:25:47,710 --> 01:25:48,644 Please state your name. 1837 01:25:48,711 --> 01:25:49,812 Mel mermelstein. 1838 01:25:49,878 --> 01:25:55,751 Mr. Mermelstein... You have a-a museum 1839 01:25:55,818 --> 01:25:57,820 at your place of work, don't you? 1840 01:25:57,886 --> 01:25:59,087 Yes. That's correct. 1841 01:25:59,154 --> 01:26:00,989 Could you describe it to US, please? 1842 01:26:01,056 --> 01:26:06,895 It's an exhibit... Of the holocaust. 1843 01:26:06,962 --> 01:26:11,400 I have artifacts, mementos from the camps and such. 1844 01:26:11,467 --> 01:26:13,068 Concentration camps? 1845 01:26:13,135 --> 01:26:14,270 Yes, correct. 1846 01:26:14,337 --> 01:26:15,871 And at various times, 1847 01:26:15,938 --> 01:26:18,541 you have spoken to groups of people 1848 01:26:18,607 --> 01:26:20,443 on the subject of the holocaust. 1849 01:26:20,509 --> 01:26:21,444 Is that correct? 1850 01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:23,946 Yes. 1851 01:26:24,012 --> 01:26:27,583 To schools, civic groups, whoever will listen. 1852 01:26:27,650 --> 01:26:31,754 Well, this museum and these speeches that you give -- 1853 01:26:31,820 --> 01:26:33,222 what's that all about? 1854 01:26:33,289 --> 01:26:34,457 Why do you do that? 1855 01:26:39,061 --> 01:26:43,832 Mr. Mermelstein, why do you choose to make speeches 1856 01:26:43,899 --> 01:26:47,736 about something that happened almost 40 years ago? 1857 01:26:47,803 --> 01:26:50,205 Why do you continue to do that? 1858 01:26:55,778 --> 01:26:59,248 So that people will never forget 1859 01:26:59,315 --> 01:27:02,518 what we've done to each other, 1860 01:27:02,585 --> 01:27:05,421 what the human race is capable of, 1861 01:27:05,488 --> 01:27:10,793 and because I made a promise. 1862 01:27:10,859 --> 01:27:13,296 Promise? What promise? 1863 01:27:15,298 --> 01:27:17,300 In Auschwitz. 1864 01:27:17,366 --> 01:27:21,203 It was a promise that I made to my father. 1865 01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:25,508 I remember his words before he died. 1866 01:27:25,574 --> 01:27:27,376 Before my brother died, 1867 01:27:27,443 --> 01:27:30,112 he said to US, "promise me this. 1868 01:27:30,178 --> 01:27:35,083 "Promise that if either of you lives through this inferno, 1869 01:27:35,150 --> 01:27:38,020 "you'll be a witness to the world 1870 01:27:38,086 --> 01:27:40,623 about what went on here." 1871 01:27:40,689 --> 01:27:42,525 And I made him that promise. 1872 01:27:42,591 --> 01:27:45,928 My brother and I, we both promised. 1873 01:27:45,994 --> 01:27:49,898 I am the only one who lived, so I keep it. 1874 01:27:51,867 --> 01:27:57,806 Your honor, can you understand what it means 1875 01:27:57,873 --> 01:28:00,509 to have your entire family murdered -- 1876 01:28:00,576 --> 01:28:04,112 murdered and then years later, 1877 01:28:04,179 --> 01:28:07,816 to have these haters come and say it never happened -- 1878 01:28:07,883 --> 01:28:08,951 "never happened. 1879 01:28:09,017 --> 01:28:12,488 You're a liar for telling what you saw." 1880 01:28:12,555 --> 01:28:18,126 When I was 17 years old, I had a family. 1881 01:28:18,193 --> 01:28:20,596 I had a father and I had a mother, 1882 01:28:20,663 --> 01:28:24,367 I had a brother, two sisters, 1883 01:28:24,433 --> 01:28:26,802 and we were all taken together in a boxcar 1884 01:28:26,869 --> 01:28:30,038 with hundreds of other people to Auschwitz-birkenau. 1885 01:28:30,105 --> 01:28:31,740 And the day after we arrived, 1886 01:28:31,807 --> 01:28:33,241 my mother and my sisters 1887 01:28:33,308 --> 01:28:35,143 were put into the gas chambers there, 1888 01:28:35,210 --> 01:28:36,745 and they were gassed to death. 1889 01:28:36,812 --> 01:28:39,715 And my father and my brother 1890 01:28:39,782 --> 01:28:43,419 died in slave labor in the coal mines. 1891 01:28:43,486 --> 01:28:46,054 I went into Auschwitz with a family. 1892 01:28:46,121 --> 01:28:48,624 And a year later, when the camp was liberated, 1893 01:28:48,691 --> 01:28:50,659 my family was gone. 1894 01:28:50,726 --> 01:28:53,562 I was alone. 1895 01:28:53,629 --> 01:28:57,600 And this is something that I will tell 1896 01:28:57,666 --> 01:28:59,702 for as long as I live. 1897 01:28:59,768 --> 01:29:01,437 They're not gonna shut me up. 1898 01:29:01,504 --> 01:29:03,672 They won't shut me up -- these people. 1899 01:29:03,739 --> 01:29:05,941 They will never silence me. 1900 01:29:09,111 --> 01:29:13,181 I'll keep the promise that I made to my father. 1901 01:29:22,124 --> 01:29:24,927 Your honor, I have no more questions. 1902 01:29:24,993 --> 01:29:27,963 Mr. Mermelstein, you may step down. 1903 01:29:44,346 --> 01:29:46,415 [ Indistinct conversations ] 1904 01:29:57,826 --> 01:29:59,762 [ Gavel taps ] 1905 01:30:02,498 --> 01:30:07,235 Under evidence code section 452(H), this court, 1906 01:30:07,302 --> 01:30:12,140 responding to the overwhelming amount of documentary evidence, 1907 01:30:12,207 --> 01:30:14,176 testimony of witnesses, victims, 1908 01:30:14,242 --> 01:30:16,745 even guards at the concentration camps, 1909 01:30:16,812 --> 01:30:20,916 the scholarship of historians of unquestioned authority, 1910 01:30:20,983 --> 01:30:24,186 as well as the eyewitness evidence 1911 01:30:24,252 --> 01:30:27,656 provided by Mr. Mermelstein here today, 1912 01:30:27,723 --> 01:30:30,726 this court does take judicial notice of the fact 1913 01:30:30,793 --> 01:30:32,828 that Jews were gassed to death 1914 01:30:32,895 --> 01:30:35,798 at Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland. 1915 01:30:35,864 --> 01:30:40,836 And that the holocaust is not reasonably subject to dispute. 1916 01:30:40,903 --> 01:30:42,204 And that it's capable 1917 01:30:42,270 --> 01:30:44,640 of immediate and accurate determination 1918 01:30:44,707 --> 01:30:46,575 by a resort to sources 1919 01:30:46,642 --> 01:30:49,878 of reasonably indisputable accuracy. 1920 01:30:49,945 --> 01:30:52,515 It is simply a fact. 1921 01:30:52,581 --> 01:30:54,917 [ Cheers and applause ] 1922 01:31:04,326 --> 01:31:05,828 Man: As a result 1923 01:31:05,894 --> 01:31:08,697 of mermelstein vs. Institute for historical review, 1924 01:31:08,764 --> 01:31:11,466 the holocaust became a recognized fact 1925 01:31:11,534 --> 01:31:14,703 in the United States court for the first time. 1926 01:31:14,770 --> 01:31:18,473 The institute subsequently made a financial settlement 1927 01:31:18,541 --> 01:31:21,243 and signed a letter of apology to Mel mermelstein 1928 01:31:21,309 --> 01:31:23,846 and other survivors of the holocaust. 1929 01:31:23,912 --> 01:31:27,449 However, despite the court ruling and settlement, 1930 01:31:27,516 --> 01:31:29,184 the institute maintains 1931 01:31:29,251 --> 01:31:32,688 that there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. 1932 01:31:32,755 --> 01:31:35,558 Around the world, other individuals and groups 1933 01:31:35,624 --> 01:31:40,262 still preach the lie that the holocaust never took place. 1934 01:31:40,328 --> 01:31:45,534 The fight against racism, hate, and prejudice continues.